Abortion

I live in LA and right now, they are trying to pass a bill outlawing all abortions with the exception that it was cause by rape or incest and if it jeprodizes the mothers life.

Why is the government compromized mainly of white, old men who represent a small amount of the population. I don't think men should be able to make laws governing what a woman does with her body. I see early term abortions as getting rid of some very unwanted cells growing in ones body. What if I don't have the means of raising a child, what if I don't have the time to take away  from school to go through a few months of hell only to give up a child who makes me exponentially uglier and looser, what if I'm a crackwhore who would only make the child grow up the be fuck up and have a horrible, depressing life like all those /b/tards. I'm really scared that this law will be passed seeing how I live in a backwards, uber consevative state.

And also, North Caroline (maybe South I forget) is trying to pass a bill to ban all abortions that don't jeprodize the mothers lifes. WTF?

I'M A NIGGA LADY I LOVES ME SOME ABORTIONS

>>2

You joke, but nationalizing people bodies and shit? = One step closer to the BAD kind of communism.

I'm glad you say LA- as in Louisana. Because I live in Los Angeles and nearly pissed myself. Your only option is to get the fuck out of the hick states.

>>3
Devaluing human life = one step closer to totalitarianism.

>>4

Then I guess we've teetered over the edge because we don't value life whatsoever and haven't truly valued it for thousands of years. Not letting women remove a growth from their womb isn't going to change that.

And let me guess- you're for captial punishment right?

Fucking moron.

>>5
Nope.  Lock them up and throw away the key.  Besides, the capital punishment argument doesn't r eally work...  A fetus has committed no crime.  A grown person who's in jail and on death row HAS. 

I'm not for the war or anything.  I don't believe war's an acceptable way to solve your problems except when the enemy is bringing the fight to you.  But still, it's a little different than what I'm talking about.

In war, there's a precedent of honor, valor, all those stupid things.  They give meaning and value to deaths in combat, and combat deaths are usually accompanied by some ceremony, at least to make the people involved feel better about it.

With all this eugenics and genetic engineering, there's no remorse.  Not even consideration.  People as objects, to be manipulated as the experimenter sees fit.

>>6
BTW, I think it's worth noting that I'm "Nice Racist" from the race thread.

>>6
Note: They're not people, they are clumps of cells which have the potential to grow into nearly anything. Saying "oh but it could be a person" is stupid as it could also be come a frog through (albeit a lot) genetic modification.

>>8
then why in California did a recent murder case (ie Scott Petterson) he get convicted for a double count of murder for killing his wife and un-born fetus. Clearly a fetus is considered a living human by the courts.

>>9
It all depends on the age of the 'baby'. If it has just recently been fertalized then it is as I refered to it in >>8; however, if it is more than a month or two old then yes, it should be consitered human, or human-like at the very least.

Most abortion - about 97 percent - happen within the first 2 trimesters, and about 74 percent happen in the first trimester. About 1 in 3 women in the US will have at least one abortion in their lifetime - I've seen this number even higher on some .org sites. No birth control method is 100% full proof but abstinance. Abortions will happen no matter what the law may be. Making a law like the one trying to be passed in my backwards ass state will only put the health and safety of many women at risk - the ones who will go to any length to get an abortion. Should women without the means to have a child get an abortion in  an unsterile and unsafe environment? Should more children be thrown into the adoption system while so many other children are waiting for a family?

And some of the people rallying for this shitty law are hypocrites. I have a family friend who's parents are strict pro-lifers and even go protest in front of the abortion clinics. The second their unmarried, young daughter gets pregnant, they can bend their beliefs and insist she get an abortion - they didn't want their reputation as a good christian family to be tarnished.

>>6


Capital Punishment argument works when you bring the "sancitity of life" into the mix. I say: Kill them all. Born and Unborn.

I'd rather that they kill the niggers while the can't steal my bike than when they can.

>>13

you never even had a bike, did you?

>>13
*hugs* poor e-racist, don't worry, we'll buy you a new one with our mootxico monies. ;_;

>>15
Wouldn't that be someone who believes in erasing things?  o_O;

I can see it now, this is what's going to happen:  all the retarded southern and midwestern states will successfully outlaw abortion and make a ton of other retarded laws that revoke people's freedom, then all the non-religious people with half a brain in their heads will slowly but surely migrate to other states.  The conservative states will collapse due to a lack of intelligent people and a sheer lack of people in general, and, well, things will have to change.  I've got to admit, it'll be funny watching entire states full of retards going down in flames.

>>17
Orson Scott Card suggested this.

In which book? The "Fringe Folk"? (Not sure if that's the name) or Ender's game?

>>9
The reason is because the court made a very stupid judgement that does not tackle in any way the rationality of the declaration made by the the poster you quoted.

only blacks should be allowed the priviledge of abortion

>>17

Lol @ undeserved egotism. 

You are probably just another community college dipshit who fancies himself an intellectual.

For the women of South Dakota: an abortion manual

http//mollys/...

>>22

you know what...people who consider themselves intellectual are annoying. but I think I favor a bunch of people TRYING to be smart over a bunch of people living FOR stupidity

Real quick argument of allowing a form of abortion even if life begins at conception:

If we assume that life begins at conception then the child is deserving of rights afforded to adults, including the right to life.  This is the typical start of the pro-life movement, but they do not explore this side fully.  Now does an adult have the right to live off another when that person does not want it?  This is clearly not a right that adults have, so why should an unborn human have it?

Now it is clear that the mother can get remove/evict the child,  but there should probably some limitations to how you can do this.  Think of this analogy, a person walks on to your lawn and starts living there.  Do you have the right to shoot him in the head?  Probably not, unless this person poses a threat to you, your family, or your property.  But you could begin by asking him to leave.  So for abortion this means that you would be able to remove the child, but you couldn't actively kill it, such as in some of the ways horrific ways described by the pro-life movement that I won't go into. 

>>25 Now does an adult have the right to live off another when that person does not want it?  This is clearly not a right that adults have

lol, somebody tell the twenty million negers on welfare.

>>25
the fetus is not an adult, it's a child, you moron.

>>27 It's neither; it's a bunch of tissue, you moron

>>28
that depends on who you ask, you moron.

>>29
Only as mush as your own comment does, you dumbass.

>>30
That post didn't even make any sense, you sad bastard.

Disagreeing with abortion when the foetus is only a bunch of cells is made of totalitarianism and fail.

I bet y'all anti-abortion faggots eat eggs.

>>I bet y'all anti-abortion faggots eat eggs.

You fail it so hard.

That’s like saying people who are against murder shouldn’t eat fish, which only makes sense if you if you are some PETA bitch.

Not to mention the eggs people eat are unfertilized. But what do you care? You’re just some emo kid who calls everything he doesn’t like “totalitarianism” hoping that people will not realize what a simpleton you are.

>>32
Everything is just a bunch of cells.  If a fetus is not human, then what is it?  If

>>27
A child can only have the same rights as an adult.  So a child just like an adult does not have the right to live off of and unwilling person.  This does NOT mean that the unwilling person has the right to do anything they want with the child.  The guardian of the child must take reasonable steps to finding someone to take care of the child.  Yes I know this last statement is very vague, but there really is no objective way of determining what are reasonable steps to take.  The actual terms of reasonable steps are best handled by common law

You are a bunch of cells.  Let's kill you.  It isn't murder; you're just a bunch of cells.

Someone please make a good argument for abortion so we can have a decent debate.

The Church should adopt all the orphans in the world and then talk about abortion.  Let's just hope none of the kids get molested.  You know how the priests are...

All children should be aborted.

>>38
In before...

let's see here, there are eceptions for rape, incest, and if it threatens the life of the woman giving birth.

so, what are we so worried about with this? all that's left is intentional births, and women who go around having casual sex.

should it be okay to kill unborn children just because you happen to choose to make the act of procreation into your plaything?