Social Security Sucks

I work for my money and I want all of it. I don't want to give some up so the government can pay me back when I retire. I know how to invest money on my own, why should I give any of my earned money up? We need to stop depending on big brother. In this day and age everyone should know how to take care of their own money. If you frivolously blow your paycheck that's your own choice/problem.

Discuss.

I prefer rational debate and recognise the merits of their ideals, which I also share.

Good to hear. But that means you first have to stop labelling people you don't agree with as "liberal". There's nothing wrong with liberal attitudes, but it's apparent you detest everything the word "liberal" represents. So, once you attach the label, you no longer need to consider their arguments. After all:

their ignorance is astounding.