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Are socialists just trolls?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-13 0:42

Sorry if this is the 3rd socialist thread or something, but seriously. It's such a stupid fucking idea I just cannot understand why anyone would agree with it. I'm not one of this 100% capitalist nuts, 100% of anything is usually stupid. I generally agree with Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, who said that capitalism should be taxed to fund the democracy and security services needed to preserve justice and the nation. Welfare is ok if it solves a problem, if someone needs food and shelter to keep them healthy whilst they rehabilitate or if children need to be immunised against polio and tetanus. That's fine. I can imagine a government which ran the economy democratically and people could only start their own business by gaining public support first, but where's the incentive in that? We are individuals, through and throughout. If we were all ants and gained pleasure from the negligible increase in the nation's economy we added, then maybe socialism would work. But this is not the case. No one would pioneer computer science or mechanized industry if their only prospect is more work.

I'm posting this in response to some troll in the pick your society thread.

http://www.world4ch.org/read/newpol/1133820879/43

After citing several examples of how socialism doesn't work if it is implemented by a despotism and that liberty is the defining factor concerning true egalitarianism his reply was as ignorant and apathetic as it could get. I don't think this troll was stupid, I think he was a typical socialist and intelligent, who knew very well that liberty is a good thing, but doesn't care. Much like a rapist might know what he is doing is wrong, but not care.

If anything despotism goes against every value socialists seem to preach, about equality. But things are not going to be very equal if a military dictatorship taxes everyone into slavery and shoots anyone who disagrees, is it?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-13 2:44

Evils of capitalism? How about inequality by design.

"When the number of landholders shall be comparatively small ... will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? ... If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability."

James Madison, Fourth President of the United States of America, Father of the Constitution

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