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Are socialists just trolls?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-13 0:42

Sorry if this is the 3rd socialist thread or something, but seriously. It's such a stupid fucking idea I just cannot understand why anyone would agree with it. I'm not one of this 100% capitalist nuts, 100% of anything is usually stupid. I generally agree with Adam Smith, the father of capitalism, who said that capitalism should be taxed to fund the democracy and security services needed to preserve justice and the nation. Welfare is ok if it solves a problem, if someone needs food and shelter to keep them healthy whilst they rehabilitate or if children need to be immunised against polio and tetanus. That's fine. I can imagine a government which ran the economy democratically and people could only start their own business by gaining public support first, but where's the incentive in that? We are individuals, through and throughout. If we were all ants and gained pleasure from the negligible increase in the nation's economy we added, then maybe socialism would work. But this is not the case. No one would pioneer computer science or mechanized industry if their only prospect is more work.

I'm posting this in response to some troll in the pick your society thread.

http://www.world4ch.org/read/newpol/1133820879/43

After citing several examples of how socialism doesn't work if it is implemented by a despotism and that liberty is the defining factor concerning true egalitarianism his reply was as ignorant and apathetic as it could get. I don't think this troll was stupid, I think he was a typical socialist and intelligent, who knew very well that liberty is a good thing, but doesn't care. Much like a rapist might know what he is doing is wrong, but not care.

If anything despotism goes against every value socialists seem to preach, about equality. But things are not going to be very equal if a military dictatorship taxes everyone into slavery and shoots anyone who disagrees, is it?

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-13 22:38

LISTEN, I know there is at least one guy here who's a socialist.  He's the one who first mopped the floor with john back in the libertarian debate thread.  He's a smart guy, I don't know why he isn't responding. 

He's the one who brought up Finland.

Anyway, socialism is fucking awesome because most of the socialist nations I've seen look like fucking paradises.  NK ETC... aren't truly socialism, they're communism.  Finanaland and Switzerland for example... I could come from absolutely nothing, my parents could be dead, and yet I'd still have an education and health care.  And this system PROMOTES THE ECONOMY TO THE POINT OF BEING AS GOOD AS THE US EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE THE INSANE ADVANTAGES THAT THE US HAS (e.g., a huge economic boost after WWII, A huge land area with tons of resauces).  It eliminates poverty, increases the fucking economic output to crazy high levels, and promotes a truly just and egalatarian society.  It's been PROVEN.  You can take all your feudal theories and shove them up your ass if you don't believe it, you really can't refute this.

So just shut the fuck up, you are probably a racist who wants black people to be your slaves again.

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