I'm not a racist, but I am...

This forum is full of it, but it's all true. The facts are there. Maybe there is a little hyperbole, sure black people can become doctors, fly planes etc... I'm a reasonable human being, I was raised in a liberal environment. I have bullied before, but never been racist and I see bigotry as immature, however I can't escape the fact that they are indeed very unusual looking.

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"golly, niggers are hideous with their buck teeth, black skin and brillo heads. Egads."

Just do a google search for skull shapes of different races and albino black people... CAucasian and mongoloid skulls are about the same and both these races have obviously exceeded negrito races in culture and civilisation. Even the obscure native americans constructed early civilisations. Their hunter gatherers tribes only existed due to their isolation, deprived of the circumstnaces that allow for agrarian civilisation. Given another 1000 years after the SPanish arrived, and the Gulf of Mexico would be like the Mediteranean circa 1000 B.C..

Though I can't say the same for black civilisations, they were not isolated, theywere exposed to the Egyptians, who were arabic, im not one of these nuts who thinks they are white. I really am not a racist or even a far right conservative...

I can't contain what i think anymore and I shouldn't be afraid of expressing my thoughts. They do look so animal like, it is as if they are a relic from evolution before human civilisation. In fact that's what they are, the only tribal systems outside of sub-saharran africa left by around 1300 were in areas which didn't have much food. Yet in the rich jungles of africa they still lived in the stone age, never utilising the wide range of plants there.

I think the out of africa theory is correct and that blacks haven't evolved much whilst caucasians and mongoloids have had to deal with the ice age.

How should I approach these facts rationally? Liberals say I should just ignore them, conservatives say I should become a whtie supremacist nut. Surely there is another way? Surely there is a way to get society to accept these facts without sinking into depths of paranoia and stupidity.

"The last thing we saw as a counter argument to my statements was this pathetic question of "if nuture was the same/if nature was the same."  It's quite a dishonest question coming from a group of people who clearly don't believe in nuture in the first place."

I don't get it...  How is it dishonest to ask such a question? Nobody who's posted against you up until now has ever completely written off nurture, which is why the question was phrased in such a way if nurture was the same.  More to the point, how does the honesty of a question even factor in to whether it's legitimate to bring to a debate or not?  Sometimes, to prove a point, you even have to make statements that you would disagree with in order to show the contradictions in your own opponents' argument.  You refused to answer that question, when it would have been easy (And probably would have saved you the argument) to just have said that yes, a black kid and a white kid would have grown up the same.  But you didn't, which shows that you yourself don't really believe it.  Honesty indeed.

And what's all this crap about "pseudo-science"?  Most scientists, while not really racist per se, believe in an inborn factor to intelligence.  Look at any journal from real scientists (ones that do real experiments on real stuff, not psychology or sociology where the data can be interpreted however the observer sees fit, sciences that are still in what's known as an alchemic phase) where they talk about genetics, and they do believe in it.  They just don't speak up because really, it'd be imoral.  Scientists are by and large good guys, like most of the human race when they're in public, and none of them wants to be responsable for another holocaust or anything like that... Add to that the fact that it'd be impossible to get funding for anything you'd want to do, EVER if you came out saying anything about one groupd being by and large less intelligent than others.

In the end though, I honestly believe that nurture can play a large part.  Given the right conditions, we can turn anyone, even if their genetics disposes them against it, into productive, purposeful, happy individuals, or at least not completely worthless and written off from the start.

It's not about putting anyone in their place, to act like they're a separate class, to appraise someone's value.  It's about not lying. It's about honesty.