This forum is full of it, but it's all true. The facts are there. Maybe there is a little hyperbole, sure black people can become doctors, fly planes etc... I'm a reasonable human being, I was raised in a liberal environment. I have bullied before, but never been racist and I see bigotry as immature, however I can't escape the fact that they are indeed very unusual looking.
"golly, niggers are hideous with their buck teeth, black skin and brillo heads. Egads."
Just do a google search for skull shapes of different races and albino black people... CAucasian and mongoloid skulls are about the same and both these races have obviously exceeded negrito races in culture and civilisation. Even the obscure native americans constructed early civilisations. Their hunter gatherers tribes only existed due to their isolation, deprived of the circumstnaces that allow for agrarian civilisation. Given another 1000 years after the SPanish arrived, and the Gulf of Mexico would be like the Mediteranean circa 1000 B.C..
Though I can't say the same for black civilisations, they were not isolated, theywere exposed to the Egyptians, who were arabic, im not one of these nuts who thinks they are white. I really am not a racist or even a far right conservative...
I can't contain what i think anymore and I shouldn't be afraid of expressing my thoughts. They do look so animal like, it is as if they are a relic from evolution before human civilisation. In fact that's what they are, the only tribal systems outside of sub-saharran africa left by around 1300 were in areas which didn't have much food. Yet in the rich jungles of africa they still lived in the stone age, never utilising the wide range of plants there.
I think the out of africa theory is correct and that blacks haven't evolved much whilst caucasians and mongoloids have had to deal with the ice age.
How should I approach these facts rationally? Liberals say I should just ignore them, conservatives say I should become a whtie supremacist nut. Surely there is another way? Surely there is a way to get society to accept these facts without sinking into depths of paranoia and stupidity.
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anti-chan2005-12-16 5:06
For the last time.
There is no "white" or "black" gene. Therefore you can not be genetically "black" or "white". The "black gene" can not be the de-evolved gene, nor can the "white gene" be the "evolved" gene when neither gene even fucking exists.
Do you guys follow science AT ALL? There's a new contention that mankind has either (A) reached it's evolutionary apex. And (B) might be actually DE-evolving.
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Anonymous2005-12-16 8:14
You bash people for not knowing science, then truck out a term like "DE-evolving".
There's no such thing as devolving. What makes you think that mankind is at a pinnacle of anything?
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Vinz2005-12-16 11:46
>>41
Devolving is a social, not genetic practice, n00b.
Usually goes hand in hand with a fundamentalist or theocratical government. (no, you don't have to be a theologist to be a fundamentalist, imagine if Jerry Vlasak ran for President, and somehow won. The US would be FUCKED.)
People are becoming stupider because they're not learning the things they're supposed to when they're young. They're nothing but grown-up tantruming babies thanks to a completely useless schooling system. If it were genetic there would be 40 more channels on cable just for talk shows and reality TV. Er, or something equally inane.
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anti-chan2005-12-16 15:23
If you fag-babies wanna sit here and nit-pick; be my fucking guest. I never said "de-evolution" wasn't social. Second, I didn't say "pinnacle" or "apex" to infer superiority or progress- I said it to infer inferiority.
The next evolutionary step will be to become something "inhuman", something who's society doesn't at all identify with the current societies of mankind. Neo-sapien.
The next evolutionary step will be giantic leap. It won't be evidenced by a new form of government or the elimination of all racism.
Regardless, the whole "white/black gene" thing stills stands.
What were you nerds bitching about again? :D
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Anonymous2005-12-16 15:45
Fuck you are retarded. There is no single gene that makes someone white or black. No single gene that makes someone a cow either. It is a huge set of genes that makes a living thing what it is.
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Anonymous2005-12-16 16:46
>>41 is right. There's more genetic variation within races than between races. IOW, your chances of sharing common genes with a random person of another race is greater than your chances of sharing common genes with a person of your own race.
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Anonymous2005-12-16 19:12
>>46
No. Chances of sharing 1 particular gene is greater. But chances of charing a set of genes is very very small.
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Anonymous2005-12-16 19:41 (sage)
I didn't say "pinnacle" or "apex" to infer superiority or progress- I said it to infer inferiority.
If something is inferior, then the other is necessarily superior. Did you not take logic class, or were you born stupid?
The next evolutionary step will be to become something "inhuman", something who's society doesn't at all identify with the current societies of mankind.
You're one of those singularity idiots, aren't you.
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Anonymous2005-12-16 20:38
>>47
No. Do some research. Racist websites don't count.
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Anonymous2005-12-16 21:52
>>49
No. Do some research. Retarded website don't count.
You are WRONG. And shut the fuck up cum-bucket, your breath reeks of cocks. I said "apex" to infer that we are NOT a superior race of humans. What is "the other", you dumbshit noobfaggot? Do you even know?
In *MY* argument it's the concept of "Neo-sapiens". *I'm* saying that we, mankind, just may have reached our limit. That's all. I don't know what's this "singularity" faggotry you speak of, but I'm sure that it- like you- simultaneously fails and loses.
What limit? There's no such thing as devolution. You specifically said "evolutionary apex" in >>41, but there's no such thing. Perhaps you meant optimal survivability within an environment?
PS. C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
As if I couldn't make you appear even more stupid. You have talent, I'll give you that.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 6:20 (sage)
Actually, "optimal survivability" is pretty gay too. Let's leave it at "well-adapted".
Who are you gonna believe? Circle jerk neo-nazis or actual scientists? Think carefully now, you don't want to end up hanging with these retards, prancing around in nazi uniforms in their mothers' basements.
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Geneologist.2005-12-17 8:08
So how do you explain the lack of civilisation in Africa? South and central america is strewn with giant structures from the civilisations that dwelled there and they did this all by themselves with no contact with the rest of civilisation and having only been there since the end of the ice age.
Negroes on the other hand have lived in Africa since humans first evolved and with access to agricultural technology and civilisation since it first arose in the fertile crescent, yet have achieved nothing as substantial as the achievements of caucasians in europe and the middle east and mongoloids in east asia.
The AAPA statement is blatant bullshit and as ambiguious as they could make it. Races CAN be defined by a set of already identified haplotypes aswell as observable physical and mental differences, which is not suprising as genes explain physical differences.
Stop being a nignorant fucktard terrified of the fact that your race has achieved nothing and look at the facts for yourself. The intelligent races will eventually gang up on the negro and demand they implement eugenics before they contaminate the rest of human civilisation, the best you can hope for is to look at the facts yourself and declare that eugenics, not genocide is the answer.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 8:33
Stop pretending to be a scientist, nazi kid. "Geneologist", LOL.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 8:54
>>57
stop accuusing people of being nazis. say how they are wrong or whatever.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 9:28
>>58
They're factually wrong, unable to follow an argument, and selective in commenting about the sources provided. It's like trying to explain that the world is round to those who insist that it's flat. The final paragraph takes the cake with it's vicious racism and promotion of eugenics. To answer these people seriously is to give them credit they don't deserve. And I doubt it'll change their minds anyway. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I'm compelled to present the facts from to time in these sophomoric racist discussions to see if it'll have any effect, but it usually doesn't; they want to believe the earth is flat. Also, if these racist assholes can go on and on with their bix nood and nigger bullshit, I can call them nazis and rednecks.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 9:33
OK fine. I'll say how they're wrong. Geneologist does not address the question of genetics AT ALL, which was what I was talking about. The fact is, humans are 99.9% identical genetically speaking. And no, that's not the chance of sharing one gene with a man in Uganda. It's the entire sequence of genes. The links I provided show this. How are you supposed to debate against poor reading comprehension and willful ignorance?
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Anonymous2005-12-17 10:31
Black are in fact the missing link in the evolution between apes and modern humans.
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Geneologist.2005-12-17 10:31
Holy fuck what a bunch of idiots.
>>59
"They're factually wrong, unable to follow an argument, and selective in commenting about the sources provided. It's like trying to explain that the world is round to those who insist that it's flat. The final paragraph takes the cake with it's vicious racism and promotion of eugenics. To answer these people seriously is to give them credit they don't deserve. And I doubt it'll change their minds anyway. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I'm compelled to present the facts from to time in these sophomoric racist discussions to see if it'll have any effect, but it usually doesn't; they want to believe the earth is flat. Also, if these racist assholes can go on and on with their bix nood and nigger bullshit, I can call them nazis and rednecks."
This is your reply to
"stop accuusing people of being nazis. say how they are wrong or whatever."
?
It's just a longer version of
"Stop pretending to be a scientist, nazi kid. "Geneologist", LOL."
Prove you are right fuckwad, just give me a synopsis of your argument, then link me to google so I can follow up on your facts like I did, or something witty like that. I can tell you are one of these marxist mind fuckers who think manipulating stupid people through threats and logical inconsistency is cool and all that. Well I present to you a challenge, convince someone who doesn't have a mental age of 13 to agree with you.
>>60
And we share 99% of our genes with chimpanzees, go figure.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 10:39
>>60
It only takes on of those genes to cause cystic fibrosis or that harlequin skin disease. Who's to say it won't take one to make a nigga dumb?
Richard Dawkins:
"We were dealing with the unusually high level of genetic uniformity in the human species, despite superficial appearances. If you take blood and compare protein molecules, or if you sequence genes themselves, you will find that there is less difference between any two humans living anywhere in the world than there is between two African chimpanzees. We can explain this human uniformity by guessing that our ancestors, but not those of the chimpanzees, passed through a genetic bottleneck, perhaps within the last 100,000 years. The population was reduced to a small number, came close to going extinct, but pulled through. Like the children of Noah in the myth, we are all descended from this small population, and that is why we are so genetically uniform."
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Anonymous2005-12-17 12:02
"We were dealing with the unusually high level of genetic uniformity in the human species, despite superficial appearances. If you take blood and compare protein molecules, or if you sequence genes themselves, you will find that there is less difference between any two humans living anywhere in the world than there is between two African chimpanzees. We can explain this human uniformity by guessing that our ancestors, but not those of the chimpanzees, passed through a genetic bottleneck, perhaps within the last 100,000 years. The population was reduced to a small number, came close to going extinct, but pulled through. Like the children of Noah in the myth, we are all descended from this small population, and that is why we are so genetically uniform."
I am not misinformed or a nazi or whatever you want to call it. About 70000 years ago there was a massive volcanic eruption in which only humans and neandrthals survived and very few humans were left alive. The humans repopulated quickly and began to spread out of Africa unimpeded by competition, but they were unable to compete with the neanderthals in ice age europe. The humans that stayed in Africa continued to evolve slowly as they had no need to change their genes, however those that left faced new environments and had to adapt.
At this point humans were more dependant on their brains to survive than their bodies and thus eolved higher intelligence, those that left, the mongoloids and caucasians thus went on to develop this intelligence and construct civilisation whereas the more stagnant evolved negro race failed to evolve further intelligence.
A good example of this is the aborignes who were the original negrito colonists of Australia. Their mongoloid cousins went north and had to learn how to survive in a cold environment, where as the aborignes had little need to change. There are still some negrito tribes left throughout oceania also.
We are descended from a small population, however we had to wait until the negro colonists of asia and europe evolved into more intelligent races until civilisation could arise.
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anti-chan2005-12-17 12:03
Fucky McFuckwit said: "You fail at elementary logic."
No dick-brain, you fail at communication and reading comprehension. The only thing you succeed at is building straw men- which you ceremoniously rape because your crippling lonely brought on by your inability co-exist with people.
Who cares what *you* consider to be "the other" in this instance? That's not *MY* thesis NOR is it at all my argument. *I* defined what "the other" was. Neo-sapiens.
"De-Evolution" refers to a species evolving backwards. What *I'm* saying that mankind may have evolved as far as possible- basically- we have no further incentive for our society or our biology to evolve into anything else.
Um, because there is no "nigga" gene, you fuckwit. No black gene. No white gene. No "liberal scientist" is trying to hide some mystery fact from you. It's the truth. Accept it. You can try to find it- but you will only find your latent lust for black cock (not vagina- because u r gay) and the repressed homosexual faggotry contained there-in.
(A) This in NO WAY proves that "blacks" are genetically inferior. Because not everyone on this planet is 100% "white" or "black" or "mongoloid" in the first place. Anything you say is simply voided by the fact that a "black" or "white" people simply does not exist genetically.
(B) Your assumption that "nergoids" (Ha!) or ancient Africans weren't the first to create "civilization" is based on pure ignorance. New Discoveries are being made that refer to a civilization that pre-dates anicent sumeria and the greeks. All you need to do is LOOK.
Consider this: No one *REALLY* knows how exactly everyone got so spread out. The REASON that is, is simply because that information has been lost through out time. Oh yeah- and maybe because as this was happening NO ONE had "civilization".
Another thing you have to realize is that writing, painting, language these are all products of civilization and the anicent Africans from which you are descended HAD these things. Your so-called "mongoloids and caucasians" came into these new enviroments WITH THESE SKILLS ALREADY LEARNED.
Finally, the very concept or idea of "civilization" inherantly fails and is steeped in human arrogance. The Greeks thought they were civilized- by today's standards they'd be likened to thinking savages.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 16:38
Blacks are not genetically inferior. But they are inferior.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 16:52
>>67
not everyone on this planet is 100% "white" or "black" or "mongoloid" but there are degrees.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 16:58
now that everyone else has huffed and vented I will present the correct stance for this issue as post number sixty-nine.
Nearly all racial differences owe, in point of fact, to culture, as opposed to race. Of course, the culture itself stems from races being put into seperate boxes.
Just as Europe once had its Dark Age, Africa is currently in its own.
Unfortunately, almost any research into the question of racial difference is politically suspect. When you step back into reality, racist websites are right out. But is racial difference fictive either? Whatever factual differences may eventually be sorted out in racial physiological differences, it remains the case that 'racial' difference is principally cultural.
And that "degree" isn't a cause for fear, hatred or the notion that one race is superior over the other. That degree still has ZERO importance because a white or black gene simply does not exist. Every racial argument will run into this wall until the end of time. Cash in your KKK-chips now, faggots. You FAIL.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 18:40
Just as Europe once had its Dark Age, Africa is currently in its own.
Only that Europe's dark age was full of castles, cathedrals, and some art, and Africa is full of... totems and AIDS?
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Anonymous2005-12-17 23:18
That degree still has ZERO importance because a white or black gene simply does not exist.
this is stupid. obviously you can distinguish between black and white in many ways. so there are genetic differences.
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Anonymous2005-12-17 23:59
What well made points for such an insipid argument. Listen dickwad, you can tell the difference between blacks and whites in a variety of ways, and it just so happens that one of those is mental(I don't think it's intelligence per se; I think it's attention span and inhibition, but it has the same net result).
Arguing that we're 99% the same genetically and therefore we're the same may be a pretty point to make, but it doesn't bear out. I know there are exceptions, but look at everywhere where black people are the major population; you have all kinds of social problems.
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Anonymous2005-12-18 0:26
Quit dancing around the problem that we all know is there. What do you propose we do about, if anything?
Don't know. Drug therapies maybe, but then we'll be on a slippery slope of constantly improving people's brains to get the most out of them, possible leading to a 100% eugenic society, only the "best" being allowed to reproduce ETC...
I think we'll be much better off when we learn to accept some negativity in the world.
No, what's stupid is you shirking factual science in favor of your own semen coated system of beliefs.
So, what you're saying if that we take two white people- who are identified as being culturally and socially "white"- but one LOOKS slightly more tan, has blond hair and blue eyes- then those two people are fundamentally different genetically?
That's bunk. And instead of owning up to your ignorance and your unreasonable hatred- you prefer to open up your buttcheeks and allow to me to continously rape you in this argument.
"Whites" have systematically disenfranshed the "black race" for CENTURIES. It's completely rediculous for you to make any futher uneducated commentary on Africa's social problems without addressing the very real, hard fact of the endless amount of damage colonialism has done to the contenient.
It's like pointing out that Native Americans "just can't seem to get their shit together". They, like Africa were in the process of getting their shit together until the europeans came and chained up their religion, their culture and their society. History proves that every culture of people take a number of steps of achieve modernization.
What do you think happens when you bust in and chain up a whole people? What do think happens when you invade a people and steal their land and tell them what Gods to worship? What do you think happens when you drop a bomb on an entire culture and impose upon them western culture and judeo-christian values?
You fucking noobs need to pick up a few more fucking books and take some college courses before you step foot into the "race arena" again.
When you guys stop citing the bell curve and those pioneer fund fuckers as referece to "race genetics" - then maybe the rest of the world will take you seriously. Right now you just look like scared little children.