In the fight against "TERROR" ...

is ignoring human rights and due process acceptable? How far can the line be pushed back?

Discuss.

>>1
Which side in this war are you referring to? The ones that kidnap and decapitate people, blow themselves up at funeral processions and lock little girls inside burning elementary schools, or the ones that are fighting them so this kind of shit doesn't happen to them on their own grounds? I think I can guess which side you mean by your putting the words 'terror' in quotes and caps... You are a bonafide idiot, and a perfect example of a far-left nutcase. Get the hell off of this board.

Get the hell off of this board.

Hey, dude, you may not like >>1, but who the fuck do you think you are to tell him to get off the board?

The only idiot here is you.

>>2
Are you stupid? The ones fighting terror obviously are not the ones perpetrating it.... oh wait! Is that what they're doing? Maybe that's why it is so confusing to you. Why don't you answer the question. Is ignoring human rights and due process acceptable? On anyone's part in fact. Maybe what you mean is playing dirty is ok. That stooping to their level will win the war. Ha, they've already won.

Fact: there would be less verbal diarhea if nobody cared at all.
Like the chinks. Let's follow the chinks.

>>4
Can you provide examples of "ignoring human rights and due process"? And no, holding non-uniformed combatants indefinitely doesn't count. Neither does playing loud music and making the room cold.

>>3
I'm sorry, but people of that kind of idiocy do not belong in intelligent discussions...

>>4
Like I said, our soldiers are not the ones blowing themselves up at funeral processions, or slitting their daughter's throat because she was raped, or crashing planes into skyscrapers, or locking little girls inside of a burning school because they didn't have their faces covered and couldn't be seen in the open. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE FIGHTING. IT IS THEIR STATED GOAL TO DO THESE SAME THINGS TO US, BUDDY. I can't believe I even have to fucking explain this to you. These bastards have no rights.

War crimes are apparently acceptable to many Americans,
as long as they're committed by Americans.
Which is why bombs go off,
and planes get crashed into towers.

Look at this >>8 guy, and do you see? It doesn't matter to these leftist people if someone has a knife at their throat, if they have to kill the person to save their own skin, they'd still think they're a criminal themselves... Unbelievable.

>>9
Leftists wouldn't have the balls to step on a bug, how can you expect them to defend themselves?

THE WORLD ONLY CONSISTS OF LEFT AND RIGHT. IF SOMEONE IS STUPID, THEY'RE CLEARLY LEFT. IT'S THE WAY OF THINGS.

>>11
What's your point?

>>12
That you're an idiot?

Or do I have to spell that out too?

>>13
>"you're an idiot"
That's all I hear from people on this board in response to my comments. So go ahead, have at it, spell it out for me exactly how my philosophy is wrong. Go for it, flush objectivism down the toilet with your leftist "logic". Try me.

>>14
Although there is more I would like to say, I'll keep it simple so you don't get sidetracked. You are the one bitching about people not answering your questions. Yet I still don't see you answering the question in this thread. The question is a yes or no question. IS IGNORING HUMAN RIGHTS AND DUE PROCESS ACCEPTABLE?

>>15
If you're asking whether or not it's ok in any and every sense to torture the people that are doing the sorts of things that I've described several times in my previous posts, then my answer is "yes". Is ignoring human rights and due process acceptable? No... But for some reason, you don't seem to think any of this applies to the terrorists. I don't want to know what you call it in your book, but I call it "justice".

Hey, John, you don't get it (again).

Reread >>1 very, very carefully. Now reread it again. Look up every word in the dictionary. Now, does it say or imply terrorist anywhere in there?

This terrorists angle is all your bullshit interpretation. You're the one who came up with it, not the OP. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>16
If I understand correctly your "justice" means an eye for an eye. That's fine, even I think those that perpetrate the acts you described deserve it. But that "justice" tortures first and ask questions later. There are innocent people believe it or not. Not every towelhead is out to rip out your throat, but they will be after they get fucked over for no apparent reason. This is why eye for an eye does not work. You should've learn this stuff in elementary school.

>>17 "Now, does it say or imply terrorist anywhere in there?"
Um, in the [i]TITLE OF THE THREAD[/i]? >_>; Durhurhur!
Yeah, you knew I was just waiting for an opportunity like that, didn't you...

>>18
It's not exactly "eye for an eye", but what the hell would you suggest a country do in response?
Nothing? Negotiate? Surrender? Everything else that liberals and democrats are suggesting these days?
Look, I don't like the idea of torture period. However, if that's what it takes to bring even more of the bastards to justice, then so be it.

>>19
Deliver justice while staying within the bounds this country had vowed to never cross. Doing nothing will not stop them, but doing the same thing they are certainly is not a long term answer. How much credibility does a theif have in telling someone to not steal? It's ludicrous.

>>20
We're not doing the "same thing they are". We're not teaching 9-year-old boys how they too can one day blow themselves up and have 42 buhjillion virgins in heaven, we're training soldiers to hunt out the ones that want to teach the 9-year-old boys how they can blow themselves up. If we don't kill the bastards, they're just gonna blow us all up until everything is dead but Islam. That's their goal. And the only way to kill the bastards is to hunt them out street to street, because they're not really a very large bunch of people. There's no negotiating with them, they don't want the liberals' appeasement. They want our blood and our heads. I bet I'm sounding pretty repetitive by now, aren't I?

Yeah, violence and death and war sucks, get over it. The only purpose it serves is to prevent more of it, and as long as you have nutcases like these terrorists on the planet, it'll keep happening. I'm tired of this "War Is Not The Answer" crap. It sure wasn't the answer for Hitler, was it? ­¬_¬

The question is not whether we should fight terror or not, but how we should fight it.

In world war 2, fire bombing and nuking cities in the full kinowledge that innocent civilians would die in agony was necessary.

How far should we push back the boundaries in this war? No one is suggesting we should capitulate or let them do what they want.

>>22 "No one is suggesting we should capitulate or let them do what they want."
Plenty of people in the media are, but...

How else are you going to fight the actual people but street to street?
And what boundaries should there be? Hordes of genocidal communists aren't that much worse than a much smaller horde of genocidal and ideological terrorists with tanks of nerve and sarin gas, and perhaps with nukes by now if we hadn't stepped in... People just don't seem to recognize the threat simply because it's a smaller group.

Believe it or not, you're all liberal faggots, half of you just don't accept it yet.

>>24
haha o wow D:
kthx2u bai

>>23

How about, stop pursuing policies in the Middle East that lead to terrorism?  That way, we don't NEED to fight them street-to-street!

>>26
Uh... Wow. Could it be that they're terrorists by nature of THEIR OWN CONVICTIONS AND RELIGION? :O
Jesus fucking christ, we're damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Religion is just an excuse. The anger comes from real and perceived problems caused by the US.

Why aren't they blowing things in South America or Canada? Oh, that's right, they aren't involved.

>>27

As if there was any doubt before, with this post you proved yourself to be the most ignorant person on 4chan, including all of /b/.

Have you ever even left your home state?

>>24
>>27
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>>29's words, you guys are the most ignorant people on this board. You're dragging down the anonymous name ;P

>>23
You're like a giant bucket of straw man fallacies, aren't you?  And what does having to fight them in the street have to do with torture and forgoing due process?

>>27
Oh, now it's because of their religion that they want to kill everyone?  Educate yourself a bit about Islam, you ignorant shit, and stop believing all the Christian conservative bullshit people say about it.  Do you see Muslims declaring Jihad on the Chinese for not believing in Allah?  Do you think they just randomly decided to go with America because they thought fucking with the world's most powerful nation would make things interesting?

>>27
So Islam is a religion for terrorists is it? Then have your done your part for your country and gone around razing all the mosques in sight? For god's sake, there could be wmd lolipop convoy saddamist qaedas in there.
>>31
Well you see, the conman didn't like the subject so he successfully changed topics to 9yr lolipop licking street fighers.

>>28
Lol, yeah, islam is a religion of peace, and everything they say on TV is right.

>>31
Oh, now it's not because of their religion that they want to kill everyone?  Educate yourself a bit about islam, you ignorant shit, and stop believing all the leftist tolerant bullshit people say about it.
Fixed.
May I suggest http://www.faithfreedom.org ?  Read what an ex-muslim has to say about what he saw in first person and from the inside - what the media won't tell you because it's not politically correct.

>>33
None so faithful as the converted, eh?  That site is nothing but biased-out-the-ass ramblings from some random nutbag who became obsessed with talking shit on his ex-religion.  Half the stuff he says could be said about Christianity as well.

You truly don't know anything, do you?  Read up on some history.  You'll find that the Muslims, in the height of their power in the world, ruled one of the the most tolerant empires in history.  The Koran specifically tells people *not* to force religion on others (whereas the Bible insists on the exact opposite).  Likewise, it doesn't tell people to kill non-believers either, as I hear so many people claim--it tells them to attack any direct threats to Islam.  That's where the ideas of terrorism come from, but the reason we don't see all Muslims around the world turning terrorist is because most of them are smart enough to understand that the US is not attacking the religion of Islam, and has no intention to do so.  Well, at least most of us don't, other than a select few dumbasses such as you and the author of that website.

>>34
Half the stuff he says could be said about Christianity as well.
Not half, but some things, and yes, they could be said and, for my part, they are said. Don't think I'm a christian zealot fag, I hate all religions, but I acknowledge islam as the worst one by far.

You truly don't know anything, do you?  Read up on some history.
I did. But this is not the 10th century. This is today.

The Koran specifically tells people *not* to force religion on others
It also specifically tells people to kill infidels, torture them, beat them to death, and many other cute things. RELIGION OF PEACE

Likewise, it doesn't tell people to kill non-believers either
Now who's the ignorant one? Go read the goddamned koran, then come back to rant.

most of them are smart enough to understand that the US is not attacking the religion of Islam
Ask "most of them" outside the USA.

Well, at least most of us don't, other than a select few dumbasses such as you
I'm not American.

I would glady kill, tourture, mame, whatever is needed to prevent American deaths...

>>34
Apart from the slavery, invasions of eastern europe and standard practice of mass executions.

Don't go saying that "THE WEST DID TEH SAME TO THE AZTECS AND BLACK AFRICANS", at least we acknowledge what happenned was wrong. Now you do the same. I want a formal admition. Repeat the following.

"The Koran contains many ambiguous terms which have persuaded and encouraged many Muslims to commit acts of great evil and barbarity."

>>36
And I would gladly kick your ass ^_^

But in any case, if doing so is acceptable, then I suggest we nuke the fuck out of each other until everybody dies.

>>38
He said whatever is NEEDED. ^_________^

He won't extort other nations for their wealth, just kill despots and terrorists (same thing) who threaten war against the US and torture those who won't reveal their whereabouts.

People like you would gladly capitulate to the terrorist's demands, regardless of the fact that if you give in to fear once, those who use it as a tool will use it again and again until your face is being stamped on and you are too weak to fight for justice and liberty.

Wow, what happened to this place? I'm gone a couple days, and suddenly there's sensible people on here. Keep it coming. You know these kind of comments strike some chord of truth in 'em, otherwise they wouldn't be so hostile. > "And I would gladly kick your ass ^_^"