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Pick Your Society...

Name: John 2005-12-05 17:34

To all of those that have bitched about every single point I've made in any given thread, I pose this idea to you.

I'm not asking what type of society you would necessarily like to live in yourself, because that's a rather double-edged answer for a lot of you I'd imagine, being that this board is mainly leftist.

So... Build your ideal society, as honestly as possible. What type of people would you want in your society? What type of government? What style of economy? Would you want productive members in your society, or people that simply live off of the efforts of others? Would you want the government to control every aspect of peoples' lives, or do you actually value freedom? Free enterprise, the biggest eliminator of poverty in the history of mankind? Or fascism... I'm sure most of you liberals are already bitching that my questions are too black and white. So you pick your grays. Make your ideal society.

Have at it... I hope it's not too much to ask for some actual honest responses here.

Name: Anonymous 2005-12-06 1:34

-everyone voluntarily abandons organized religion.  The ethos of religion is supplanted by an ethos of secular humanism.

-everyone voluntarily consumes less and breeds less.

-an effective world government is established.  Its role is to preclude war along certain pretenses, based on the premise that enough people want peace to support a government which has this shape.  So, what I have in mind is a society of Earth, not of a particular nation.  In order for this to be tenable, however, certain prerequisites include a decline in organized religion, and the ability of member states to 'participate'-i.e. low internal corruption, cultural shifts, etc.

-enough people turn their attention to the new project that we can work on the big problems: controlling disease, preserving the very specific human 'freedom' that it pleases us to preserve, generating art and culture, and getting off this rock and going elsewhere.  The project is 'humanist'.  Humans are the best.  Why not?  We only have other animals to be concerned with, in a genuine ethical sense.  In order to make a judgement on an alien civilization, we would first have to encounter it and see what is like.  Until that happens, yay us.  If the encounter is happy, yay us, and yay them.  Even if humanity is done in by some unseen natural cause or chance, unanticipated in all the science, it is a NOBLER death than that met with jihad or Christians fucking up our environmental policy (which they are.  I have the documents) for something that they can never truthfully say (and can only emotially appeal to) as existing.  The nobility of the suspension of judgement is one component of my society.

-Homeless people, or lazy fucks unwilling to work, are shuffled into well-policed homeless shelters-basically motels, with spartan meals (which become possible and quite feasible without a great social strain with the preservation of technology and the decline in population).  They are surrounded by employment information and are periodically kicked from spot to spot.  Crime itself is greatly decreased (if not eliminated) by the mere fact that everyone is working or provided for/watched over, as per depopulation.

please don't reply 'that's impossible'.  It's my pipedream, in exactly the way that you have yours.  The method of an actual reconstitution of society is to see what everybody else wants (more or less), and to try to realize it.  (unless a despot shapes reality, something which is not wanted).  Idealism guides practice in various ways. 

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