Graded Age of Consent Laws

Why not propose a scheme along these lines?  The first number is the age of one partner, and the range of numbers is the range of people of a certain age who can legally have sex with a person of first.  It goes for any combination or number of sexes.

14: 11-17
15: 12-18
16: 12-24
17: 12-25
18-21: 14-up
21: 15-up

The thing that really bugs society is the whole ADOLESCENCE/children question around the consent laws.  In theory, we have no immediate moral problem with a 25 year old fucking an 80 year old, since both of them have made the mystical transition into adulthood.  However, we say that a 40 year old and a ten year old is RIGHT OUT.  To quantify the ages so precisely around adolescence seems strange, as well.  To accomodate this, we could have less nasty non-jail sentences (seeing a shrink/community service) for, for example, an 18 year old tapping a 13 year-old), all the way up to whatever age is right-out.  Send a 25 year old who got with an 8 year old to jail.  The process of fixing the age cutoffs could be helped by the psychological establishment.

>>40
No one prefers the first option, although you are trying to imply someone does just so you can paint the second option in some positive light, perhaps to justify it. Society does not prefer either option, but they do find the second one more abominable.

>>41
what the hell. are you retard? why would the second option be worse. i would think the second is much more preferable since the kid will be born in a healthy environment.

Hahahaha, healthy environment? This couple with a 18 yr age difference will be subject to media/public scrutiny. Will 32 even be able to keep his job? I suppose the parents of the fourteen yr old have no say in this. Is 14 supposed to have a life any more? Who's looking after the kid when everyone's off to work/school. Or maybe 14 should quit school. I know teen pregnancy is the norm in some hick towns, but what about in the rest of the civilized world? Where is this healthy environment?

Are YOU retarded? Do you deny society things badly of both? Do you deny society reacts more adversly to a pedophile than to teen sex? The second option is worse because society says it is. I did not express my opinion on which is worse.

>>41
pregnancy is a risk of sex between a man(boy) and woman(girl).  both options i specified are possible, and if two people have sex they should acknowledge the risks thereof.  i'm not trying to 'imply' or 'justify' anything, merely adding an extra perspective to the situation.

regardless of what i think about the two people involved themselves, the welfare of the potential child must be accounted for.  he/she often ends up being a victim, and is the only one involved who doesn't actually get a say in the situation.

responsible sex involves both participants being willing and able to support a child.  condoning minors to have sex with each other before they can support a child, while outright forbidding more responsible people from having sex with minors just because of the age difference, i consider that abominable.

You guys act like pregnancy is the rule in teen sex and not the rare exception.  Wouldn't it be an easier and practical solution to concentrate our efforts on contraceptives, abortion rights (if you're a supporter), and STD cures/preventions?  I mean lets face it, even in conservative places sex among teens is probably rampant, just as it's always been, everywhere.  Remember when you were a teen?  Sex will happen anyway, lets bring out the education and the condoms.

>>45
exception, yes.  but still a risk.  you wouldn't take a shotgun and just fire randomly around the street just because the chances of actually hitting someone are low.  if you hit someone, and he dies, that's homicide, and you would be held responsible for it.

if you have sex, and a child is conceived, it's the parent's fault, and they should be ready to take responsibilty for it.  contraceptives are not 100% effective, STDs are irrelevant, and abortion is (in my opinion, at least) murder.

>>46
I didn't say it wasn't a risk, i said it was a far smaller risk than the alarmist media would like you to believe. But the point still remains that its not conceivable to avoid sex in teens, wether you want to or not, or wether people think its right or not. The whole idea can't be implemented unless you result to inhumane restraints, even in the Victorian age with the castrations and such, teen sex was still rampant.  Point being that the theory of teens not having sex may be a nice thought, but in reality will never happen.  Therefore we have to resolve to the next best thing against unwanted pregnancies and the like.

I have no doubt that if a minor has sex and ends up pregnant, we would shift blame on the parent, the key here is to avoid such a situation, weather by abstinence (not likely), or contraceptives (works at least most of the time)

Make no mistake, I do not envy pregnant teens the same reason I don't think the world needs any more people, i just think we should fight teen pregnancy with realistic, efficient means.

>>44
Responsible people are not forbidden from having sex with minors. Responsible people know not to do it to begin with. It's the irresponsible people that the law is there for. While minor with minor sex should not be condone (and I don't think it is), we treat minors as minors because they're stupid, rash, lack self-control, but maybe we should send them to prison too?

>>38
Parents are legally accountable for their children. That is not to say children have no rights beyond their parents. Rather it is difficult and ultimately arbitrary where you draw the line, but it has to be drawn.

Now one could ask why differences are recognised between adults and minors exclusively, and not divided further into specific age groups. It's not difficult to give proximate factors for the current division. For the sake of convenience, as well as good enforcement of the law the difference is arbitrarily determined so, set by precedence made in the past. We simply haven't reached the stage where adolescents have legal standing more fitting to their "effective" freedoms and responsibilities. The shift to greater acknowledgement of adolescents as an important legal demographic would be a welcome move. Nevertheless, no matter what happens, someone will feel left out. Throwing tantrums because you can't legally hit lolis a couple of years too young isn't the right attitude either.

>>47
i fully accept that teens will have sex (or, at the very least, try to).  however, as >>44 pointed out, sex can result in pregnancy, and bringing a child into an environment which can't support it is just irresponsible.

rather than allowing teens to marry and raise a family legally (regardless of age of the partner), society expects them to either stew in their hormones for years, or engage in irresponsible (and possibly illegal) sex which can put a newborn child at risk.  neither option seems particularly desirable to me.

I don't think the whole debate should be about weather teens can have sex or not.  Like that other guy said, they're teens.  When i was a teenager EVERYONE wanted sex, we all knew about pregnancy and other risks, but we all still wanted it.  Is it lack of self-control? Yes.  Is it the raging hormones?  Yes.  But since we already established that kids don't have the maturity to practice safe sex or abstain from sex, wouldn't it be more practical to stop pregnancies at the level which we CAN control (Contraceptives/Education)?  

It doesn't matter if its irresponsible or illegal, it will happen anyway.  We all know what its like being a teenager.  So instead of trying to stop every teen from having sex, which I don't think is possible, why not hand out condoms?  Make better condoms/contraceptives?  Tell them the real details to safe sex instead of trying to scare them?  Granted this won't stop all unwanted pregnancies, but i think its the right step towards it.

why not just sterilize all the teenagers?  since they have proven that NOTHING can keep them from fucking, why don't we just acknowledge that they are all immoral and disgusting and deal with them accordingly?

teenager = disease vector

If they are old enough to bleed, they are old enough to butcher.

I have never had sex, and don't believe I ever will. For that matter, I've never even kissed.

I'm 20.

Therefore, people shouldn't be having sex because it makes me jealous and forlorn at the bliss I was denied during my childhood!

I am wanking

>>43
Just because society thinks something is a bad idea, does not actually make it a bad idea.  As mentioned back in >>5, social acceptance shouldn't have any bearing on legal 'right' vs 'wrong'.

Go back a generation or two, and blacks didn't have the right to sit in the same restaurant as whites.  Go back even further, they weren't even allowed basic freedoms.  Further yet, and women weren't even allowed to make decisions on their own.  Society accepted these as a matter of course, just because that's the way things were.

Society doesn't accept minors having sex with anyone past the age of majority.  This isn't in doubt.  It does not make it wrong, and should have no bearing on any laws in this regard.

Presumably you live in a country which supports basic freedoms such as freedom from discrimination.

Ageism can be just as discriminatory as racism and sexism.  Saying that teens aren't responsible enough to raise their own family and choose who to have sex with (regardless of the age of the partner), just because they're not eighteen yet, is no better than saying women can't vote just because they're not men, or blacks can't own property just because they're not white.  Going along with society in this regard, or even just avoiding to speak out against it, just makes the problem worse.

Go back a generation or two, and blacks didn't have the right to sit in the same restaurant as whites.
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They still shouldn't. They are disgusting beasts and are walking AIDS factories.

All I know is that I find little boys and girls sexually attractive. I am 40. Is this unusual?

>>40
A PEDO APPEARS!

Those little brats like to be diddled. What's your problem?

>>59
if by unusual you mean like half the population in denial, yes

>>59
>>62
No, it's not. Kill yourselves.

I like boys up to about 12. When they get hair down there it is all over. The boys want it. I know they do.

>>63 speaks truth.

I find nude pictures of people under 17 pretty gross. What kind of freak is attracted to that?

Are you calling Michael Jacksonh a freak? What nerve!

Jackson*

>>65
za warudo

>>65
You are pretty fucked up in the head if you find nude pix of a pretty 16 year old gross.

You are pretty fucked up in the head if you find nude pix of a pretty 16 year old gross.
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Amen to that!

If it was Rosie O'Donnel at 16, it would be gross.

>>69
Actually, I do. Even at 16 most of them are obviously immature. They still have baby fat, and their figures aren't quite developed yet. It's not until >17 that they fill out. 18? 19? Now you're talking.

You might be interested in studies of primate sexuality. Only the deviants bother with immature females, the rest ignore them. If you think 16 is mature, you're living in a fantasy land (or are too stupid to recognize exceptions when you see them).

Or just want to rationalize your kink. gb2/l/ pedo.

>>72
I hearby nominate thee stupidest poster ever. Yes you even beat the scientologists just now. And primates are ugly fuckers, why would you study them? Study big kitties and wolves and sponges, they're cute.

Oh, no! I'm being called stupid by a pedo! One with the dumb nick "female anony" too (rofflecopter)!

Wait, I'm being called an idiot by a rationalizing 4chan retard! One who understands the issues of scientific validity in animal studies!

Holy shit, clearly I am wrong! No, wait...

Stop pretending everyone is like you dipshit. You're a fucking deviant, and your attempts to prove otherwise are fucking pathetic. Ever seen a boylove forum? You sound just like them.

lol

>>74
you're a fucking retard. 16 is immature? what fantasy land are you living in? oh right, america. gb2 whatever shithole in there. kthx

Many porch ape jigaboos are grandmothers by 16.

>>76
You bet they're immature. How old are you, 18?

I wonder if that Ludwig guy posted here...

>>78
whatever, you old coot. if you don't want to see your daughter grow up, it's your own fucking problem.