Chivalry and Feminism

"I. To live one's life so that it is worthy of respect and honor by all.
1.Fair Play
Never attack an unarmed foe.
Never charge an unhorsed opponent.
Never attack from behind
Avoid cheating
Avoid torture

2.Nobility
Exhibit self-discipline
Show respect to authority
Obey the law
Administer justice
Administer mercy
Protect the innocent
Respect women

3.Valor
Exhibit courage in word and deed
Avenge the wronged
Defend the weak and innocent
Fight with honor
Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause

4.Honor
Always keep one's word of honor
Always maintain one's principles
Never betray a confidence or comrade
Avoid deception
Respect life

5.Courtesy
Exhibit manners
Be polite and attentive
Respectful of host, authority, honor, and women

6.Loyalty
To God, Sovereign, Country, and the codes of Chivalry
Always respect and obey the law unless the law is wrongful
Always be kind and never cruel
Give mercy to those that ask for it
Always be truthful and never lie
Defend the Law of Good, and seek to stop injustice
Have compassion to the weak, frail, and oppressed, and seek to help them in any way
Be charitable to others and give to those in need
Always succor women when they are in distress
Love your country, family, religion, and uphold them in any way
Always put the needs of others above the needs of yourself
Live a pure and noble life."


I think that the family is the core of society, and chivalry is the core of the famliy. But modern feminism is now about teaching women, and men as well, that men are neither needed or wanted. I think feminism in that manner is getting way out of hand. There's plenty of single parent families, which is hard on the mom and the kids, because men are no longer taught the responsiblity that is their due. It's like ppl don't have their dignity any more...

So called "roles" in the family are getting turned around to where the woman is the worker, and the man stays at home. While I'm not 100% aginst this idea, I think that it isn't a woman's responsibility to perform that kind of role. Why? If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, men and women are different, and they are built to perform diffrent tasks that the other COULD do, but wouldn't necissarily be suited for. Of course the majority of women are capable of everything their husbands are, but does it mean that they should? Of course not. It just wouldn't be as productive. Sure, you can drive a nail in a wall with a wrench, but does that mean that it should be used like that?

What're everyone else's oppinions on this? Are any of you feminists that are aginst men being merciful to women just because they are women? Or are you gentlemen/ladies that are more accepting of this?

Families don't drive society, individuals do. Unless you are the mother or father of a child, you have no obligations toward anyone else in your family, as insensitive as that sounds. Only yourself. I'm not saying that acting like a normal family isn't the way to go, cause that's all very good, until you can take care of yourself. Then the rest of your family has no obligations to you, either. They shouldn't, I mean. I don't mean you shouldn't be close with family, but people have to be responsible for themselves. If someone a single parent as the result of a divorce, then that's being irresponsible on both the huband and wife's part as to their obligations to their children... As for chilvalry, I guess what I've explained so far has pretty much blown that out of the water. Would it be nice if everyone acted that way? Sure. Should they? Matter of individual choice.

Families don't drive society, individuals do.

...get out much?

I can imagine how a man can stay at home and still fulfill a traditional masculine/fatherly role. I'd like to live like that, stay at home and fix stuff, cook stuff I like, watch spike or discovery channel all day. 

Law.
Never attack an unarmed foe.
Avoid cheating
Avoid torture
Obey the law
Administer justice
Administer mercy
Protect the innocent
Defend the weak and innocent
Avoid deception
Always maintain one's principles
Respect life
Always be truthful and never lie
Defend the Law of Good, and seek to stop injustice
Always succor women when they are in distress

Personal choice.
Exhibit self-discipline
Show respect to authority
Respect women
Be polite and attentive
Respectful of host, authority, honor, and women
Always be kind and never cruel
Have compassion to the weak, frail, and oppressed, and seek to help them in any way
Be charitable to others and give to those in need
Love your country, family, religion, and uphold them in any way
Always put the needs of others above the needs of yourself
Live a pure and noble life.

Irrelevant.
Never charge an unhorsed opponent.

Consequential.
Never betray a confidence or comrade (depends on whether they are committing a cirme or not.)
Never attack from behind (depends on the consequences of your actions, head shotting a hostage taker for instance is ok)
Exhibit courage in word and deed (if you are in an important position in society you must exhibit courage in word and deed, otherwise it is a personal choice)
Avenge the wronged (depends on the lawfulness of the vengeance)
Fight with honor (sometimes "dishonourable" fighting is necessary)
Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause (you may abandon causes if you find out they are unlawful)
Always keep one's word of honor (maintain legal contracts, but one's word of honour by mouth is a personal choice)
Exhibit manners (usually a personal choice, extreme bad manners or harrassment is a crime)
Loyalty to God, Sovereign, Country, and the codes of Chivalry (depends on your religious beliefs and whether your sovereign and country are pscyhotic dictatorships or utopic democracies. Obey these revised codes of chivalry as it is all correct.)
Always respect and obey the law unless the law is wrongful (this is a very ambiguous statement, it is difficult to be sure whether some laws are wrongful or not)
Give mercy to those that ask for it (you can't let criminals go, but if a child rapist pleads not to be given the death penalty and you have the resources to keep him in jail for the rest of his life with big dong bubba, go right ahead!)

Law.
Never attack an unarmed foe.
Avoid cheating
Avoid torture
Obey the law
Administer justice
Administer mercy
Protect the innocent
Defend the weak and innocent
Avoid deception
Always maintain one's principles
Respect life
Always be truthful and never lie
Defend the Law of Good, and seek to stop injustice
Always succor women when they are in distress

Personal choice.
Exhibit self-discipline
Show respect to authority
Respect women
Be polite and attentive
Respectful of host, authority, honor, and women
Always be kind and never cruel
Have compassion to the weak, frail, and oppressed, and seek to help them in any way
Be charitable to others and give to those in need
Love your country, family, religion, and uphold them in any way
Always put the needs of others above the needs of yourself
Live a pure and noble life.

Irrelevant.
Never charge an unhorsed opponent.

Consequential.
Never betray a confidence or comrade (depends on whether they are committing a cirme or not.)
Never attack from behind (depends on the consequences of your actions, head shotting a hostage taker for instance is ok)
Exhibit courage in word and deed (if you are in an important position in society you must exhibit courage in word and deed, otherwise it is a personal choice)
Avenge the wronged (depends on the lawfulness of the vengeance)
Fight with honor (sometimes "dishonourable" fighting is necessary)
Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause (you may abandon causes if you find out they are unlawful)
Always keep one's word of honor (maintain legal contracts, but one's word of honour by mouth is a personal choice)
Exhibit manners (usually a personal choice, extreme bad manners or harrassment is a crime)
Loyalty to God, Sovereign, Country, and the codes of Chivalry (depends on your religious beliefs and whether your sovereign and country are pscyhotic dictatorships or utopic democracies. Obey these revised codes of chivalry as it is all correct.)
Always respect and obey the law unless the law is wrongful (this is a very ambiguous statement, it is difficult to be sure whether some laws are wrongful or not)
Give mercy to those that ask for it (you can't let criminals go, but if a child rapist pleads not to be given the death penalty and you have the resources to keep him in jail for the rest of his life with big dong bubba, go right ahead!)

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>>1

Violating these all sound like what's involved in sexual roleplay/fantasy.

>>8
I want to buttsecks you.

Chivalry is so gay. Go back to Gaylic Frencherica, Frenchie.

Its still nice to be polite to women, to act as a gentleman even if pop culture tells us its wrong. Women are something beautiful, to be taken care of, not expected to grow like a wild rose.

>>11
Bleh.  Screw that.  They're people like us.  Gender differences may beinborn, but my opinion is that they shouldn't be instituted by society.  You should let individuals sort that out themselves.

>>12
>>They're people like us.

And that makes >>11's statement false... how?

I take it as "WIMMINZ DON'T HAVE A VAGINA! THEY'RE PPL JUST LIEK US!!!!!111onehundredeleven

Idiot, I said differences are inborn but shouldn't be instituted by society.

woemen are generally less violent in thire role witch is why we have to protect them and not be violent to them

>>1
Your argument makes sense in the case of certain manual labor jobs for which men really ARE suited better; however, thanks to modern technology, there are very few jobs that women cannot do as well as men.  If a woman wants to work, that's fine with me.  Personally, I seriously cannot wrap my mind around the concept that women are fighting to NOT have someone else do work for them and supply them with money while they sit around all day, play with the kids, etc.  Cooking and cleaning are way more fun than sitting in an office all day.  I'm surprised MEN aren't fighting to GET women into the workforce so THEY can have a turn at sitting around at home all day.  Imagine not having to worry about your job, your boss, getting up early in the morning, your obnoxious coworkers, all while your spouse goes out and makes money for you.  Sounds like heaven to me.

woemen are generally less violent in thire role witch is why we have to protect them and not be violent to them
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WTF with the spelling?

>>15
Women are taught different problem resolution methods than the male, it doesn't make them less violent.  They are simply encouraged to act it out differently.  That aside, I have noticed as much violent tendancies in a lot of the women I've interacted with as I have with men.

>>18
Women are generally weaker than men which predisposes them to less violence. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS.

>>19
Weakness doesn't predispose someone to be less violent in *nature*.  It predisposes them to fear *acting on* their nature.  There *is* a difference, IMO.

>>19
Weakness doesn't predispose someone to be less violent in *nature*.  It predisposes them to fear *acting on* their nature.  There *is* a difference, IMO.

Post it a third time. I didn't absorb the first two.

I am almost sure that Jennifer Anniston and Dustin Hoffman are one in the same.

>>18
actually, that resolution thing is probably what would make them suck at certain jobs.
Then again, they couldn't be any worse than the pansified corporatists who ride fickle market demands expecting to win big. Losers.

>>22

If you need me to, I'll be happy to oblige, but it seems my web browser is behaving now.  Let me know.

>>24

If people of either gender don't learn how to step beyond what society tells them is acceptable, any progress as a society will be slow-going.  Personally, I'm of the opinion that a well rounded set of conflict resolution methods would go a long way for members of either gender to tailor their response in a manner that best suits the situation at hand.

Women should learn how to "act like men" when they need to, and men should learn to "act like women" when they need to.  Then again, I tend to favor finding the solution to the problem on the basis of the /problem/ and /not/ on my genitalia.

>>26
Problem is that we call it "Acting like women" or "acting like men" when really they're things both sexes have the wiring for...  Women are not neccesarily twitching balls of protoplasm, unable to do anything without the consent and lead of a male, and not all males are (or have ever been, actually) agressive assholes who'd beat you to death with a pool cue if you look at them funny.

We are all mixes of different factors, which I honestly don't think should be looked at as male and female, because there are other attributes for a person that could more validly be given those designations.

Women like to be slapped around periodically. They need it, and enjoy it.

muh deek be huge. ware iz da whyte womenz?

Another thing is that women and men exist to crate children, and the best way to create effective childrens is via a supportive mother figure and strong father figure. We arent robots we are animals with specific needs.

>>26
There's differences in gender than genitalia. Women are generally physically weaker, but have generally more intelligence, or at least potentiallly. Males are physically stronger and larger than females, but aren't as smart on average.
>>30
Exactly. Some of Earth's cultures nowadays have the mentality to rid themselves of gender, maybe literally someday in the future, as they'll produce offspring in labs. Other societies will embrace their differences in gender and roles which are nothing more than maxing out on their productivity and taking advantage of their strengths. They'll be more successful and organized, and will most likely evolve at a faster rate than society #1.

It may seem primitive to consider natural instincts and function over technology, but mother nature didn't get this far half-assed. Human kind isn't above nature. In fact, the reason we've gotten this far is because of evolution and natural selection. If we embrace that, we'll develop even further.

>>31
Haha, where do you get this shit??

Women and men have an equal mean intelligence, men have a wider range of intelligences, so a man is more likely to be stupid, but more likely to be a genius. Any society which "embraces" meritocracy will prosper, however this will have to be individually based instead of gender based otherwise it's illogical. Mother nature doesn't exist, evolution and natural selection are just occurances and won't bite us in the ass if we decide that a certain disease should be eradicated. If for instance a society lives on an island and needs wood to go fishing, but cuts down all the trees thus stranding them on the island with no way of feeding themselves, that's call being a stupid fuck and isn't mother nature casting down her vengeance.

>>32


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>>33
hurrah ^___^!

>>32
Doesn't this bring us into new territory, though, concerning evolution and natural selection? Have species' in the past become extinct due to their actions, such as the society in your example due to it killing off its food supply? Or are we as humans the first race capable of committing, in a sense, mass-suicide?

>>35
It's already happenned and we've learnt from our mistakes, so you can expect to see the world use crude oil to fuel to production of renewable energy sources soon. They will be the next big thing, considerring how expensive crude oil is predicted to get. Communist countries who are not blessed by self-perpetuating coorporations however will experience mass starvation.

>>32
Mother nature gave us survival instincts, and that includes having the ability to know when to cut down a few trees to survive. Your logic is flawed.

I(>>31) may have misworded that about men, so you didn't exactly prove me wrong.

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>>36
Same person.

Chivalry is dead, women killed it

My girlfriend left me for a guy who beats her and apparently she loves him more than me even though i took her out to dinner, told her i loved her and made sure she had a good time. I don't think they want chivalry, feminists are pro-women and they don't want chivalry so I guess I will have to beat my women aswell.

Ppl are more into hate and making everyone else more uncomfortable and making things more complicated any more. That's why feminists exist. The human race as a whole looks like it's plummeting downhill because of them...