I've come to understand that

the morality and relational well-being of mankind cannot be reconciled through the means of politics.  This does not mean no government
is needed.

"The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved
    by the level of thinking that created them."

in any case, any chapter of history since the dawn of time ought
to suffice as either proof or evidence.

discuss

>>42

I don't know who you're talking about, but I think that most people in this thread are making cogent points. Who are you talking about? Why do you think they are idiots?

>>45

Where'd post 41 go?

If "X" is the class of things involving petroleum in its content or manufacture, and "Y" is the class of things which don't involving petroleum in any way, then I am certain that "Y" does not contain a complete set of replacements for "X".