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Occupy Wall Street

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-17 19:04

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-spreads-worldwide/100171/

This is just ridiculous. Can anybody even explain in clear terms what the fuck these people WANT the government to do?

Do they just want the government and large corporations to give them fucktons of money because they're protesting? Do they want a complete upheaval in the way that their economies are run.

The more I read about this Occupy Wall Street shit the less I understand it.

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-18 19:09

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Skip down to III.
While I don't necessarily agree with everything there, the first one is by far the most important since the movement's message is pretty much "get the money out of politics".

Name: Anonymous 2011-10-19 8:24

derp they don't know what they want

the message is fucking clear

no more lobbyists, no more bribes, no more money = voting power

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-29 15:13

I find most of the problems to be within the individuals themselves.


Do you really need a fucking roll of paper towels in your kitchen?

Name: Anonymous 2011-11-30 14:44

HERP A DERP I CHOSE TO GO $600,000 IN DEBT TO GET A DEGREE IN PHILOSOPHY AND NOBODY BUT STARBUCKS WANTS TO HIRE ME, BOO HOO HOO WHY WON'T DADDY GIVE ME MORE MONEY?  OR IF NOT DADDY, THE GOVERNMENT?  BAWWWWWWWWWWWW, I AM THE 99%

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-07 15:36

>>5
You need to refine your trolling a bit. You're off to a decent start at least.

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Name: Anonymous 2011-12-18 7:22

>>6
>no more lobbyists, no more bribes, no more money = voting power
That is what you want to believe. In reality, you're ignoring most of the political faggotry these people were preaching and rephrasing it in a form that sounds a lot nicer.

There were about a dozen different political factions that made up the OWS "movement", so to speak. You had the anti-capitalists, socialists, actual communists, anarchists, environmentalists, the transgender/gay rights, the we be ethnic victims of racism toads, anti-Christians, Obama fags, union shills, democrat fags, Jew haters, the I want free money fags, and even a small handful of people claiming to be real Nazis. 

The anti-capitalists were the biggest factions. They wanted to fuck with businesses in general like shutting down ports for some reason. Also, they showed up to fuck with Republicans publicly. The fact they didn't seem to mind that their actions hurt normal people says a lot about them.

The fact they ignored the White House and Congress in general while only wanting to fuck with businesses states the obvious. They were the same old Leftists play the class warfare card again.

Now, they're just trolls.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-19 3:44

>>7
Why did you cite me (>>6)? >>4 is the one who said what you quoted. Anyway, OWS is way too populist of a movement to be characterized as promoting any one particular political ideology, and because of its populist nature, not too much will come from it. I'm somewhat sympathetic to their concerns, but making complete total asses of themselves isn't helping at all.

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Name: Anonymous 2011-12-19 11:40

All rebels are closet aristocrats

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-21 5:07

>>8
My bad.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-21 5:10

>>9
Very true.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-30 16:18

>There were about a dozen different political factions that made up the OWS "movement", so to speak. You had the anti-capitalists, socialists, actual communists, anarchists, environmentalists, the transgender/gay rights, the we be ethnic victims of racism toads, anti-Christians, Obama fags, union shills, democrat fags, Jew haters, the I want free money fags, and even a small handful of people claiming to be real Nazis. 

Care to cite that claim with actual proof?

>They wanted to fuck with businesses in general like shutting down ports for some reason.
Uhh gee, because businesses do a thing called 'trading' which requires a little lesser-known thing called 'transportation'?

>Also, they showed up to fuck with Republicans publicly.
Because of all the shit from the past 11 years between Bush stealing the 2000 and 2004 elections with vote rigging, and 9/11 and the patriot act and the continued deregulating of business (prompted by reagan) and especially banks (by bush, though not that clinton didn't do more of the same of what reagan precedented) after the stock market crash of april 2000, the wars for oil, and how the republicans are always out to destroy social services are just the major things.

I could go on forever about why they (the protestors) would do that (speak out at town hall speaking appearances by republican office holders and applicants) and are PERFECTLY proper in doing so (we have a little thing called freedom of speech) but it's something you, >>7, really wouldn't understand, being a shill for the corporate payroll.

To any non-corporate sponsored readers though, I must stress that it isn't just the republicans who are guilty of selling themselves and the wellbeing of the american people out to the corporations and banks, the democrats are just as guilty and furthermore liberal calling and presenting the facade of republicans representing special interest and democrats representing populism is just that- a facade. It's a polarization purely for the goal of deception and defection to one f two name brands which are discrete in name alone.

>The fact they didn't seem to mind that their actions hurt normal people says a lot about them.

This is so ironically contradictory to your advocacy it would be funny, if I was certain that everyone who happens to read it knew enough to know right away exactly why it is so utterly wrong.

However because I'm genuinely interested in what you have to back up that claim, exactly who are these 'normal' people who have been 'hurt' by their actions exactly?

>The fact they ignored the White House and Congress in general while only wanting to fuck with businesses states the obvious.

Yes, the obvious being that congress is useless because there's about 3 people in it who aren't shills, and obama is a shill so therefore the white house is also useless. This result being directly descended from business lobbying and court decisions from paid off judges in america.

>They were the same old Leftists play the class warfare card again.
You need to watch less fox and dig into some real news my friend.

Name: Anonymous 2011-12-31 12:19

>shill for the corporate payroll.

So, anyone who doesn't agree with the George Soros bots in here is being paid off by Big Business?

Where do I sign up for this?  I already disagree with you, and I already despise hipster coffeehouse revolutionaries.  I want to get paid for it too.  Maybe I could quit my job!

Name: dominic 2012-01-02 20:32

Whatis-theplan.org, Youtube(Dot)com "What is the plan" its funny how you all are so clueless

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-04 23:17

I don't think the goal of occupy wallstreet is to force the gov to give people fucktons of money.  I think they are there to prevent the cheats from cheating.  I dont know about you but I'm middle class and I feel poor.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-05 4:02

Occupying truck stop restrooms would be so thooper guise! :">

Name: LouisCK 2012-01-06 19:00

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-06 22:58

>>17
get off imgur u cunt. >:(

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-07 3:01

>>13
Why would you quit your job of being a shill so that you could get a job being a shill?

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-08 10:42

おっぱい☆うぉーるすとりーと

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-08 10:50

おきゅぱいおきゅぱいwwwwwwwwww

Name: Sniper 2012-01-09 16:53

Whenever you have a problem, replace the word "man" with 1% and you'll be totally fucking cool.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-14 3:28

It's less about being cool, and more about airing real grievances and striving for the change everyone thought obama was giving us hope for.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-14 6:34

oppai oppai

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-14 7:58

more like occupy gay street

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-18 20:11

>implying anyone over the age of 20 thought Obama was anything but just another machine politician

Name: Flashing 24 2012-01-24 2:32

The occupy movement is simply a diverse group of people similar in makeup to those in the French Revolution. Those in power have become too full of themselves and can no longer relate to the masses. They want amongst other things ,a fair chance on a lopsided field. The people on top are only worried about stock prices and their paychecks and forgot ther multimillion returns could easily pay wages and keep everyone employed if instead of earning 50 million they earned 43 million or whatever. They are saying we should eat cake when they can barely afford ramen. The people are getting closer and closer to pulling out the guilitene and reminding those in control who really has the power.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-24 10:44

Name: A:B=C 2012-01-27 15:39

Wielding a sword is old.
There is no end to revolution through malice.
The end of revolution is in three parts:
    freedom
    liberty
    individuality

The product is civilization...

Why hasn't the anonymous community acted through means other than destruction?
 

I think the true reality will show itself through the means of communication.   The anonymous community does not communicate anything more than a lack of satisfaction, it seems..   They have provided no solutions.. there is only a broad anger and dissemination.  When will anonymous provide a solution to making the world more civilized?  When will they provide a bill to be passed into law?   Are they waiting for surrender through lack of surrender?   I feel the age old system of attack and defense is not going to work against a time based system.  Change does not happen in an instant.  The sum of all the kinetic energy in the universe is 0...  First law of physics... 

Therefor:  I propose that the groups such as "anonymous" get with the program.. and create a solution!  Rather than simple acts of power struggle...

The people need a solution.. not a new voice.

If you uphold stealing to be freedom, you are not free.

Monopolistic capitalism is what is current today...  Radiohead, a group of artists that does see this reality performs and works to make money, not by using the "originality" of what they have "done" to make money..


I believe that what anonymous is really fighting for is the rights that everyone should "work" to make money.. and no one but the government should collect "royalties" to their product. 

The governments purpose should not be to control the people, that is clear.  Yet we also must conserve individuality and liberty to give the less fortunate, whether genetically or physically etc.., their piece of the world. 

Therefor, the people of anonymous must provide a solution alongside their effort,  as not defense or attack but as a guide towards progress..  There is no progress from what I learn about these "anonymous" characters.. there is only a broad discussion of what is wrong and what is right.  


It is the form from a black and white photo which makes the face, not the black and not the white, and by that principle we thinkers, we anonymous must create a form!  

There are methods for creating forms in place already...

Why does "anonymous" not use these forms, rather than sending anonymous funny pictures to congress and destroying their websites... produce something which develops form!


To me anonymous is a bunch of lazy pricks like the rest of society, trying to get by freely without liberty and individualism.   You must combine the three, liberty freedom and individualism.   There is no validity in simple freedom, or simple individuality or simple liberty.   Validity is a combination of the three.  

Sometimes a valid argument or law, uses freedom first, or liberty first, or individuality first...

Therefor, write your solution, not new software to simply attack and defend!

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-28 17:07

Because anonymous is actually a small group of people. That being "Anonymous" the hacker group. The rest of the REAL anonymous, the average person who holds importance in anonymity has no connection with the hacker group other than possibly cheering them on, but this is not unanimous. But as for all those people who you see out there spamming away at 4chan, they, as a sociological construct, are the most unorganized dissociated group in the world by my estimate. Hell, not even everyone on 4chan values anonymity and some want to destroy it and everything that any amount of anons stand for. Some are marketers. All the posters are at least second hand marketers by nature, but most anons do not know most other anons.

Sure, there are little groups of people, bound by whatever their interests are, division by board, specific interests, and (invariably as they lose their anonymity with each other and start placing people to words) personal issues within their little sects. But the field of actual collections of people who actually know each other (aka any sort of actual personal organization) is still very dissociated. Go try to find the biggest connected groups of anonymously aligned people, you tell me how many people total it is.

On top of that there is no real leadership, no one figure that can be said leads anonymous. Anonymous just uses moot's site, for the majority part anyways, but even 4chan doesn't bind all of anonymous, there are lots of anonymous communities explicitly outside of 4chan though they may have 4channers wander in. Most of the older anons even of 4chan do not like moot, like at all, and they dream of violently raping the moot as a little girl cat thing, or just the actual guy probably since it's feasible.

Anonymous is kind of like a lofty platform, made out of corn starch+water aka non-newtonian fluid. If something is quick and has a enough weight/momentum to it, then anonymous will coalesce, support, and get whatever it is from point a to point b(getting all the way across being a matter of momentum).
But if something just stands on it or doesn't move forward fast enough, it will sink into the depths of failed internet ambitions.

Honestly you are asking too much and assuming too much when you ask for anonymous(a label that you don't understand the meaning of to begin with...) to produce the "solution" to...what exactly? You never really explicitly stated what it was you wanted anonymous to solve, which is ironic because your grievance to post is about anonymous's lack of specification.
 
Anyways, if you would please clarify what your question is, maybe then anon will give you an answer to it that's specific enough for you.

Name: Anonymous 2012-01-29 3:48

Make a list of the rich. 1%s LIST.

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-01 3:19

1799 French Revolution
2012 American Revolution

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-01 18:45

>>31
That's gonna be an awful long list.  Given that the US has a population of around 325 million right now (something close to that, I can't be arsed to look it up), 1% of that is still three million, two hundred and fifty thousand people.

Are you sure you thought this through?

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-04 7:22

rebel without a cause. watch it, learn it.

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-05 5:03

I find the OP's complaint laughable. People complain because they think there's a problem, and they're not responsible to know what that is (that's experts' job), just like how patients are not responsible to diagnose themselves. Also, anyone who's not willfully ignorant knows something's wrong with the economy (ok, maybe dumb kids wouldn't know this...).

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-06 15:50

muh dick

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-07 13:42

My country was broken so I called a repairman and told him to fix it.

He said he'd be at my house sometime between 9 and 12, so I stayed home from work and waited for him. He finally showed up at 2 in the afternoon.

After walking around and trying to look busy for an hour, he said he didn't know what was wrong and couldn't fix it. Then he asked me if I had any suggestions about what to do, so I punched him in the face and decided to go camping for a few days.

Along the way I asked everyone I met if they knew how to fix my country. They all gave me different answers. So I told them to come with me and maybe we can figure out who's right.

My country's still broken, but at least I made a few friends along the way.

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-19 18:02

That's because journalists don't want to say what they stand for. OWS and their affiliates have published pamplets, newsletters and websites and set up think tanks and libraries. Journalists should know what they stand for and what they demand. But journalists won't talk with them or go into their assemblies or read their writings. In some cases, police won't allow it. Journalists have lied about this movement. All that's been said about Occupy is assumptions. I think it's political bias. After all, the press embraced the Tea Party and only few publications and TV stations published pics of Tea Partiers holding racist signs or broadcast their speeches about conspiracy theories.

I think the guy who started this thread wants to be ignorant of Occupy and just wants to be mad at them, since he seems to favor his own assumptions about them and is using childish language when talking about them. Just like that those raving lunatics Frank Miller, Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart did. A poster on the politics board here suggested that somebody hack their accounts and correct their articles. I think if OWS can do it, they should, so readers will know the truth.

Name: Anonymous 2012-02-24 17:32

we all should occupy the criminals' hideouts.

Name: Anonymous 2012-03-01 21:43

Protesting is not effective without a clear message and good organization. OWS has failed at both and must regroup, problems they faced were they let people vandalize and behave in ways that reflected poorly on the movement, now the everyday people who drive to work or ride the bus resent what they see. Water cooler at the factory I work at is where our morning meetings start and every morning we make fun of the movement while waiting for our boss. They do not display any connection to reality. My Boss is in their "1%", they are for destroying our jobs, in a time when everyone is nervous about keeping them, they need a reboot based in reality that doesn't have leftist throwing rocks and starting trouble, unless they are leftist then which case they need to throw rocks and start trouble, this we want everyone to have the same things equally is only possible if we all have nothing and Big Brother has full control. The movement to us blue collar folks just looks like envy. Besides, EUROPEANS cry about unfairness and screw everyone, AMERICANS are suppose to WORK and OVERCOME adversity, NOT ASK FOR DADDY'S Help.

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