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Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2012-12-16 16:13

So certain events have occurred and I've decided to be a millionaire instead of a nurse, mainly to avoid any misunderstandings, since any misunderstandings would be big misunderstandings.

Anyway, I have my flaws, people misunderstand me, which I believe I have mentioned, perhaps I also am impatient and prefer to go my own way when learning things and end up out of the loop, not using the right terms and lingo, however on the plus side I have often been called a good judge of people/character and I believe I am quite competent and intelligent when I am committed.

What would be the absolute raw basics of investment then? I believe that I have the potential to become exceptional if I apply my finely honed reasoning skills to this task. I shall have my million in no time.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-16 16:29

Probably not a good idea. I think the whole world's gone mad.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-16 17:32

Invest in yourself.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-16 17:44

Pens:
Despite technological advances in war communications,
billion dollar contracts, warfare and lawsuits still need to
be authorized by signature which involves a pen and paper.
A death can be pardoned by a simple pen-stroke.

Deities may have vocally voiced reality into being, reality has written away the Gods into fiction by pen.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-17 1:14

I heard stocks in greed are on the rise.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2012-12-17 9:56

>>2
The thing is I recently bet on Obama because it was a sure thing and in a month gained 20% returns on my investment. If I had such an opportunity every month I would gain 792% returns per year. Obviously you don't get such opportunities everyday but I would only need a fraction of that success to achieve my goal in a reasonable amount of time. The idea is to find more opportunities.

What risks are there? Obviously I need to lay a few ground rules.

1: Never invest more than you are willing to lose.
2: Always do your research.
2a: Take into account the competition, avoid bubbles and speculation, chances are if you've heard of a "hot stock tip" 1000s of others have also, 6 hours ago.
3: The goal is generally low risk medium growth, that is where most of the money will go.

I intend to "trade paper" first before I commit.
>>3
I've exhausted my investment potential.
>>4
I interpret "pen" as a metaphor for negotiation. I understand this concept well. A miller and a baker, if the miller sets the price of a kilo of flour at $1.50 the baker can get cheaper flour from the miller in the next town, if no one in town buys flour the miller can sell it in the next town for $1 plus shipping. The baker wants the cheaper flour but knows the miller will set the price at $1.49 if he doesn't bust balls, likewise the miller knows the baker will drive the price down to $1.01 if he doesn't call his bluff, however both the miller and the baker make less money by using the services in the next town. This is where negotiation comes in. If the baker is rich and can afford to hold out longer should it come to that this would play to his advantage, however the miller could pretend to be rich or claim the cost of shipping is lower and he can sell in the next town for $1.10 plus shipping.
>>5
This is a rational calculation, not greed. It is in the interest of the greater good that I get my million.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-17 10:44

>>6
It is in the interest of the greater good that I get my million.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-18 15:16

>>7
Why?

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-18 17:14

Invest in businesses that are smart enough to accept EBT cards. That's easy money. It rains freely.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2012-12-20 6:23

finance.yahoo.com

This is a good resource, I will start trading paper using this. However it will be simplified, I won't factor in capital gains tax, fees or other expenses I am unaware of.


>>9
You mean invest in businesses supported by the state?

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-20 8:13

Invest in my anus

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-20 10:23

Watch mad money and do what cramer says; you'll make mad money!

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-20 17:12

>>10
Yes. A investment in a business that can't fail is a good investment.

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-21 9:45

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2012-12-24 20:54

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20811266

BBC business says China is misallocating capital, possibly causing a bubble.

>>11
What are your predicted growth rates and how do you intend to reach them?

>>12
The problem is other competing investors will also watch this and I will end up investing in a saturated market.

I will take a look anyway in case I learn something.

>>13
It may not depend on economic viability but it still depends on political viability and can still fail in that respect.

>>14
http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=crawlingroad.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fail-Safe_Investing#cite_note-2

It seems to check out. Contains some interesting statistics. Active web forum. Maybe a bit pushy with that book. What else should I be looking at here?

Name: Anonymous 2012-12-28 7:18

2 simple predictions...

1: The price of various scarce industrial minerals and metals are bound to increase in price gradually over time.

2: Stock in large popular companies like chevron and apple are erratic at the moment.

So with my imaginary $10000 to spend on shares, I will put $100 in copper and $0 in chevron and apple. We will see whether it was a good idea to put some money on copper and a mistake not to invest in chevron and apple.

28th Dec 12 prices.

COMEX Jan 13 copper: $3.60/lb
LME Jan 13 copper: $7,871/tonne = $3.57/lb
Apple Inc. stock: $515.06
Chevron Corporation stock: $108.52

http://finance.yahoo.com/futures?t=metals
http://www.lme.com/copper.asp
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CVX

Several low risk mutual funds had adequate growth rates despite the credit crunch, might have to look into that further.

I pretty much already knew all this, when I started the thread, I just never bothered with it.

The price 3 months ago and the change till now.

copper: £3.7/lb
↓ 3%
Apple Inc. stock: $667.10
↓ 23%
Chevron Corporation stock: $116.56
↓ 7%

http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/copper_historical_large.html#6months


Had I made the same decision 3 months ago I would have lost $3 due to my decision, it would have been in line with my predictions as copper is a long term investment.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2012-12-28 7:19

The price of various scarce industrial minerals and metals are bound to increase in price gradually over time.

derp, said price twice, oh well

Name: Not Moot 2012-12-29 21:33

I want to help. Moot posted in my thread asking. I'll help you moot

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2012-12-30 15:22

>>18
The general idea is to make reasonably accurate predictions that competing investors are unaware of. For instance if Nissan is set to grow and the news is plastered all over the media then speculators will pour their money into it and raise Nissan share prices excessively, the bubble will then burst and the share price will behave erratically, even though Nissan is a growing company this does not necessarily make it a good investment. You need to find growing companies that few have spotted.

At the moment I am still soaking up information to help me make these predictions, you can help me by providing me with more information. Other insights in general would be fine too.


Moot posted in my thread asking.

Also which thread are you talking about? I don't remember.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-01-01 21:47

So the general idea is that when information becomes widely known it loses its value as an investment due to all the speculators saturating the market making it difficult to predict whether a decline is a slope or a trough or an incline is a rise or a peak. Am I being a cynic or a realist?

I have a magazine right here with such information, I will keep track of some of their suggestions.


Vertu Motors
41.17
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=VTU.L

Apparently competent and successful motor retailer, from August till today they have increased 50%, looking back 5 years though I would classify it as stagnant-erratic in keeping with my theory. If its value is overinflated it doesn't matter if its a good company.


IGas Energy
130.50
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=IGAS.L

Based on the decision to loosen some restrictions on fracking, they also seem to have a lot of information about their ownership of different gas fields (or whatever you call the gas version of oil fields), IGas seems to be waiting for their green light. Presumably the best time to invest would be immediately after the relevant government announcement or if you have in depth knowledge of the business and can properly assess risk. I will learn something by observing this.


Laird
206.80
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=LRD.L

Long established electronics supplier which attracts the likes of Apple looking to expand. Before the credit crunch it peaked at 700, though its long period of stagnancy probably confirms that its current share price is more sensible. Information about the company's activities is obviously needed.

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Name: Anonymous 2013-01-02 0:10

Why don't nigger kids (niglets) play in the sandbox?
Cats keep covering them up.

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-02 4:00

>>23
Because that's where you sit and masturbate.

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-02 4:31

>>24
NIGGER

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-03 14:31

>>25
Tsk.

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-04 6:41

>>26
AUTISTIC NIGGER

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-05 2:45

>>27
Tsk.

Name: Sambo Charles !49FaiWrakQ 2013-01-06 14:53

These classifications of industry would be a good resource for taking a wider look at the economy, which will be needed to understand the bigger picture and hone in on potential hotspots.

http://www.nasdaqomx.com/classificationchanges/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Classification_Benchmark

amazon stock is interesting

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AMZN
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AMZN+Interactive#symbol=amzn;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

Originally a dodgy dotcom, stagnanterratic (might as well make it a new word) for years, not significantly affected by the crunch, then taking off in 2009.

Will it continue to rise? Sticking to my principle of not taking unresearched risks I won't put any imaginary money on it yet.

Maybe I haven't been very active, I admit so far I have only bought $!00 of imaginary copper a while back, however I have already gained a more realistic view of the situation. I'm not going to pressure myself to invest more imaginary money, I will just continue to absorb more information.

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-06 22:22

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Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-01-07 5:20

what happened to my tripcode

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-01-07 5:21

I hereby confirm this was me.
>>29

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-01-12 8:36

My instinct is to push things to their limits, this means I am always optimizing and looking for ways to improve, however it also means I will eventually cross the line and make a mistake.

I need to deal with this character flaw, what I should be doing is reason through the experiments I take to test the limits and economize on which experiments I undertake and when. That way I can perform the most beneficial experiments first, then take on the more risky experiments afterwards when I am better placed to cover any losses.

Name: !L33tUKZj5I 2013-01-12 13:20

>>31-33
You're an anus.

Name: 4ct !3lWjo8kf8k 2013-01-12 13:47

>>34 Yeah, I heard you the first time you British piece of shit.

Name: !L33tUKZj5I 2013-01-12 13:59

>>35
You're an anus.

Name: 4ct !3lWjo8kf8k 2013-01-12 14:02

>>37
I'm just saying you're just a little wuss, that's all.

Name: !L33tUKZj5I 2013-01-12 17:24

>>37
You're an anus.

Name: 4ct !3lWjo8kf8k 2013-01-12 17:44

>>38
Hey. Why don't you stop ... dressing me like a mailman ... uh, and making me dance for you ... while you go and ... smoke crack in your bedroom ... and have sex with ... some guy ... I don't even know.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-01-29 23:29

How about a quick recap then.

28th Dec 12 prices.
COMEX Jan 13 copper: $3.60/lb
LME Jan 13 copper: $7,871/tonne = $3.57/lb
Apple Inc.: $515.06
Chevron Corporation: $108.52

1st Jan 13 prices.
Vertu Motors: 41.17
IGas Energy: 130.50
Laird: 206.80

30th Jan 13 prices.
COMEX Jan 13 copper: $3.68/lb
LME Jan 13 copper (to sell): $8,015/tonne = $3.64/lb
Apple Inc.: $458.27
Chevron Corporation: $117.21
Vertu Motors: 41.15
IGas Energy: 103.50
Laird: 229.90

http://finance.yahoo.com/futures?t=metals
http://www.lme.com/copper.asp
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CVX
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=VTU.L
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=IGAS.L
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=LRD.L

I was right to buy imaginary copper and not to bother with Apple and Igas which have plummeted and Vertu which is stagnant. I was wrong to dismiss Chevron and Laird. Igas averaged around 70 for much of the last year before spiking to 150 then plummeting to 100 in a matter of weeks.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e8b2e524-6151-11e2-9545-00144feab49a.html#axzz2JQ5EpaXG

Seems to be typical speculation spurred on by the government, by the time I was reading about it in my out of date dodgy magazine that ship had sailed. Though, still worth observing.

Copper has increased 2.2% in 34 days, Laird 11.1% and Chevron 8% in 30 days. A mere 2% gains every month would result in 26.8% annualized returns which is over 3 times the amount I would need to obtain muh million over a reasonable time period, I predict that copper will increase in value gradually due to resource depletion while fluctuating in the short term. I don't think carbon nanotubes will replace copper wiring as the most economical conductor any time soon.

My attempted fact finding missions on Chevron and Laird enrage and confuse me.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/12/29/what-will-it-take-to-power-chevron-higher-in.aspx

http://www.emsnow.com/npps/story.cfm?pg=story&id=49996

There is some news about the activities of these businesses and the usual speculators, however if I were reading this on the 1st of January I would still be skeptical, I don't even know where to begin. This must be the first challenge of putting my theory of using in-depth knowledge to gain an advantage over competing investors into practice.

Actually I do know where to start.

http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/barchart-sectors.aspx

All these different industries have been nicely categorized, by first gaining a general overview of the economy we can gain an impression of potential future growth and hone in on hot spots and figure out where to direct the limited attention my feeble human mind is capable of.

Name: The Raven 2013-01-30 3:46

Livermore.

Name: Anonymous 2013-01-30 10:17

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-19 11:20

>>41
i like that guy

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-19 11:21

>>41
I also get the edgar allen poe reference.

Name: Edgar Allan Poe 2013-02-19 12:42

>>44
Who is this edgar allen poe fellow? Is he plagiarizing my work?

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-24 18:29

>>45
I meant Edgar Allan Poe.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-24 18:51

This was posted by idpurpose !eoPD6MpjJM on the imageboard politically incorrect.

He seems to have vastly more experience than I.

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/res/10602954#p10604222

' ***********************

This is my number one pick for first quarter of 2013

CNAM

Long story short the Chinese govt was on their ass, cutting their power, and cock blocking the company to get westerners out of the stock. Now that the company has become majority Chinese owned, the Chinese govt has just given their business the green light and tax breaks.

The company has a book value of over 34m dollars, but a market capitalization of only 7-8 million

It is foretasted to make 125-150 million in revenue in 2013, and gross profits of about 25 million. Net profit of about 15 million.

They also have 3 million in stock in Apollo minerals an Australian mining company.
The reason the price is low now is because everyone has given hope up on this company due to poor performance that was due to PRC intervention.

However the PRC officials in the area just took a large stock purchase offering in the company. There are a few people who got shares at .33 that were locked down who are now shorting them for instant profit at .40 cents. Even though this is not supposed to happen it does. There are about 200k shares left to short, so the stock will probably be under pressure until those share consolidate.

Late march they will report their year end results and due to skyrocketing iron ore and scrap steel prices they are forecast to report about .10 cents earning pershare in 4q 2012 report on march 26th

This stock is too small for institutional investors to notice yet. The price will be over 1.00 by end of april and probably over 3.00 by end of 2013. This is an extreme value growth company that got hit hard by govt intervention and now is free to make money. This is my easiest sure 5 bagger for 2013.

I will caution you to invest too quickly here. I predict the share price may stay under pressure for a few weeks or so. not below .30 though.

The thing that will propel this stock up is their year end report at end of march and their first quarterly report.

Use tdameritrade, it's easy

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-24 19:03

>>47
I believe he used an image from finance.yahoo.com

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=CNAM+Interactive#symbol=CNAM;range=5y

Name: idpurpose !eoPD6MpjJM 2013-02-25 18:14

Ohh i see you copied my post.

I have another stock to keep an eye on for Wednesday, which is more of a short term momentum play than CNAM. (which I consider a medium term hold at this point in time).

ANIK
Anika Therapeutics Inc.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ANIK&ql=1

Here is the deal with this company.

It is a small cap about ~150 million

Has about 40 million in cash.

Book value 1.38, so very value priced for a biotech company.

Primary product is an FDA approved drug ORTHOVISC, used for osteoarthritis, joints cartilage regeneration ect. They have a long lineup of other drugs and products as well, but the first one is their biggest cash cow. Their joint pain drug is the industry leader with no competition on the market yet, and doctors love it becasue it is expensive and has a big markup for them so they love to prescribe it.

The company earns about .74 cents a year in profit after all taxes and expense. Also has an acceptable peg ration ~.5 good earnings growth.

Why the stock is down now: One of their follow up drugs got FDA denied, their CFO stepped down, reason unknown, claimed personal. Last quarter earnings was a big disappointment came in at .12 cents instead of .17 expected.

The reason for the miss however was becasue they had to expand their facility to handle increased demand for their drugs, the expansion interrupted the orders in process. Company states all missed orders form q3 will be shipped q4. Company recently reiterated that they will beat or meet their guidance. Analysts expect .24 cents a share earnings. And they should get imo .23-.30. However these earnings are masking a lot of costs they are absorbing, and in fact this quarter will be a record breaking revenue and gross profit for them.

market is scared about their fda miss and earnings miss. On Wednesday they will put to doubt their earnings issues. And they are retrying to get back though the fda, their new drug was already approved in europe and asia.

The same thing happened in q1 after a miss the stock declined and after their next earnings report q2 where they beat, the stock rose over 3 dollars.

Stock trades around 10.50-10.70 now. Buying it around 10.50 would be ideal if you can get it that cheap. I am looking for a minimum 1 dollar rise in pps rise on Thursday. Range 11.50-13 in the days following the earnings report on Wednesday. I see almost no further downside risk beyond short term possible price pullback due to overall market conditions imo

Always do your own dd make your own decisions on what you can afford to risk.. good luck

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Name: idpurpose !eoPD6MpjJM 2013-02-26 17:16

Tomorrow is the last day to get into ANIK, before what I believe is a rally.

Earnings report will be released after market close wed. And conference call is scheduled at 9:00 thursday morning.

http://postimage.org/image/9dcy61swb/6d135818/

Name: 4ct !3lWjo8kf8k 2013-02-26 18:07

>>52
AIDSburger in 4chan!
AIDSburger and it ain't nice!
A little boy in Lounge
Dyin' of AIDS in the cold dark
How he got AIDS I haven't a clue
Wastin' away again because of AIDS and stuff

Name: 4ct !3lWjo8kf8k 2013-02-27 10:58

>>54
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Hey big boy, play with ya dick for a while

Name: idpurpose !eoPD6MpjJM 2013-02-27 17:03

Hope you got in this baby is gonna run.. still not too late to buy tomm morning

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-28 4:33

>>49
>>51
>>56
I have a tdameritrade account that I never use and I suppose I could make some token trades, what I am really interested in is developing a clear and full understanding of the economy, learning how successful investors conduct their research, making predictions of my own and observing how they play out.

Armco and Anika are both in sectors you would expect to be expanding. China's economic development was held back by tyranny and the state let go of the reigns in the late 80s allowing it to follow a text book sigmoid curve growth pattern, which we are apparently in the center of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmoid_function

Technology is continuing to develop rapidly, most notably computing but also cellular biology, nanotechnology and materials science, pharmaceuticals and certain niche industries are going to benefit.

I think I mentioned graphene in the imageboard thread, there have been some very interesting developments recently that are worth repeating.

Graphene batteries.
http://www.wimp.com/supersupercapacitor/

Graphene solar power.
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/02/25/graphene-breakthrough-one-photon-can-be-converted-into-multiple-electrons/

' They also have 3 million in stock in Apollo minerals an Australian mining company.

I've heard of Australia's booming trade in minerals with the ever hungry China, that is probably good to see.

I am confident in my broader view of the economy, I am able to hone in on areas of growth but need to step up my game if I intend to find specific companies like Armco and Anika. The only way I could imagine doing so would be to pour over dozens of stock reports looking for businesses that might be undervalued and investigating further hoping I stumble across on. How did you come across these companies?

We discussed market capitalization ratios, you also looked at other indicators, revenue, profits, cash in hand and book value. As you mentioned, even though microsoft has a low market-capitalization/enterprise-value it is a large business that dominates its sector and pays dividends and may be a good investment. I am now wondering what other factors might change how someone should interpret these indicators. I am guessing the simplest way would be to compare the business to its competitors.

I gather that the 2 most important factors for future growth are the products of the business and the behavior of investors, both of which seem to dominate your analysis of these 2 companies. The actual practical activities of the business and the products or services it sells are fundamental of course, why you went to such lengths as flying over the China to check up on Armco, if more investors did this there would be far less bubbles and ponzi schemes destabilizing the economy and costing people jobs. The financial aspects are a major factor anchored to the practical elements of a business.

Name: Sambo Charles !TzcAECrLis 2013-02-28 4:34

>>49
>>51
>>56
' >Primary product is an FDA approved drug ORTHOVISC, used for osteoarthritis, joints cartilage regeneration ect. They have a long lineup of other drugs and products as well, but the first one is their biggest cash cow.

I guess most of that information is from their SEC filings but a few searches reveals that orthovisc has a few competitors. How did you find out that doctors receive a "mark up" for prescribing it?

Their SPO profile says this.

http://access.edgar-online.com/ipo.aspx?colleft=613ecf6a-b2a7-4b42-a0c8-809161372aec&colright=76baaeb6-2549-44f5-8e1d-cd700701e704&cikid=217&tabindex=2&coname=anika%20therapeutics%20inc&fnid=9608&ipo=0

' >The Company believes its expertise and proprietary know-how in the development and manufacture of ultra-pure, high molecular weight HA products are difficult to replicate and provide it with a competitive advantage.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=8903875-56504-101153&type=sect&dcn=0001157523-12-005906

Averaging $10 million every quarter, they also have variants of the product so they must use the same technological "competitive advantage" to dominate these markets, apparently they have a dermal range but that isn't as useful as different kinds of medicine. I estimate their advantage accounts for around $13 million per quarter.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ANIK+Key+Statistics
Revenue (ttm):    67.20M
Net Income Avl to Common (ttm):    10.18M
10.18/67.2= around 15% of their revenue is kept as income after expenses, tax, interest, etc..

So a rough estimate of their lowest after-tax annual income is $7.9 million, this is a worst case scenario, it is far more likely to be higher. Last year when their share price hovered around 14.5 they were making similar amounts of money before their debaucle with the delayed orthovisc orders and later FDA rejection.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=8755528-10359-14346&type=sect&dcn=0001157523-12-004339
Three Months Ended June 30
Net income $3,736,868
Comprehensive income $2,136,664

I guess that confirms they were undervalued somewhat and the stock market will timidly come back to Anika.

Their report is in with record quarterly earnings and we will see how the stock market reacts now.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/anika-therapeutics-reports-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2012-financial-results-20130227-01483#.US8iPTveIus

Name: Anonymous 2013-02-28 10:36

>>58
What's wrong, Sambo?

Can't quote in the textboard style?

Back to /pol/, please!

Name: idpurpose !eoPD6MpjJM 2013-02-28 12:47

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>>58
I like your math based approach. That can be a great complimentary tool, or even be a tool in of itself to use in the marketplace. However remember that markets are over saturated with quants, and human emotions are more powerful than an mathematical model that cannot quantify human emotions.

As newton was quoted as saying when asked about the price rise in the South Seas trading company.

"I can calculate the movements of the stars and heavens, but I cannot calculate human madness".. or something to that affect more or less, that's how I remember it.



I am also very bullish on graphene technology, and I would be interested in any stocks you can recommend to leverage the sector.

One stock I am very bullish on for the long term in graphene is CVV. However I am not going to issue any buy recommendations on the stock because I have not completed my research into it fully, even though I have been studying it for months. I also have many worries about short term price action in the stock. However the VERY long term fundamentals look solid if they continue to execute the next two quarters.

yes i completely agree the fundamental products and services the company is involved in are key to driving the price, and you must inspect all aspects of the operation / sector demand going forward, as well as competitor threats.

And yes many investors are very very lazy. I would go as far as saying anyone who invests into a stock without reading at least the last 4 quarterly reports and listening too the last two conference calls is a complete fool. And yet, the vast majority of investors do not even execute this MINIMAL effort.

I pride myself in becoming an expert in a select group of stocks and companies, and beating analysts forecasts. Part of the reason i can beat analysts is because i narrow my focus. And do not over diversify. Over diversifying draws your returns to a mean much like rolling a dice. Eventually you hit the mean of 3.5 and lower your potential return. It's much more profitable to focus on less rolls each with a higher probability of success.

Also I follow the mantra of Paul tudor Jones, you can read his basic philosophy on wikipedia.


Regarding why doctors profit off ORTHOVISC, it's about the multiple injections. They make most of their margins off the visits, more visits more injections = more revenue for them. Their are also practical reasons why multiple injections is in some regards superior to singular injection by spacing out the administration of the treatment. Just like administering any drug, done slower there is less patient risk, the benefits last over a longer period of time, and it affords doctors more time to inspect and judge the efficacy of the treatment and the progress, as well as patient reaction to it. However singular injection is clearly preferred by many patients for practical reasons, and as such each market will maintain it's niche, that is why there is a lot of opportunity for singular injection and multiple injection market to exist side by side.

I also think ANIK is  a potential acquisition target for johnson and johnson. I have reason to believe johnson and joohnson wants to buy them ,and the minimum price they could pay is about 20 dollars a share. So there is a very bullish case to hold this stock long term, but i myself will probably slowly exit my position on the way up to limit risk. I already grew my portfolio by 20% today since I had ALOT of this stock on margin, I am almost at millionaire status, starting with 30k last year, of course I am going to get hit with enormous taxes that I am delaying paying  so far this year and next, to use that capital as long s possible.

Regarding CNAM, the stock is one that is in the exact opposite of a bubble as you describe. It is so undervalued it is actually ridiculous. I expect to make at least a million dollars off of CNAM.

There are signs with CNAM right now that interest is building and consolidation is accelerating right now. I cannot predict the madness of men, and as such the stock may drop some from this point, however the odds of that are decreasing. It may fall down to .33 over the next week or two, however you must wonder how much longer it is worth it to buy into the position now for that 1-3 dollar stock price we are going to realize in late 2013. I always try to execute the lowest buy in price on the largest fundamental disconnects.

Anyway never invest money you cannot afford to loose. And do your dd.

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