And I’m here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
“NO! Says the man in Washington. It belongs to the poor."
“NO! Says the man in the Vatican. It belongs to God."
“NO! Says the man in Moscow. It belongs to everyone."
I reject those answers. I chose the impossible. I chose Rapture.
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Anonymous2009-12-05 22:37
Libertarianism is your answer. It supports a man keeping the fruit of his labor.
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Anonymous2009-12-05 22:40
But, is a man not entitled to the seed of his loins?
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Anonymous2009-12-05 22:49
No! It belongs to the JEWS
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Anonymous2009-12-05 22:52
>>4
Only JEWS think that it belongs to the JEWS. Are you a JEWS?
>>2
The only thing that libertarianism has going for it is that it hasn't been implemented, so we have yet to observe it fail LIKE EVER OTHER GOD DAMN PHILOSOPHY OF SOCIETY EVER
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Anonymous2009-12-06 7:23
>>6
Nazism didn't fall, at least not by it's own means.
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Anonymous2009-12-06 7:50
>>7
Nazism failed because it was so hostile to other groups and countries that it was bound to be destroyed at some point. Libertarianism would also fail due to humans being hostile apes. Those who didn't want to work would wage war on the workers, raping and plundering until, chaos reigns.
>>6 The only thing that libertarianism has going for it is that it hasn't been implemented
It has been, but that was over a century and a half ago. It wasn't called libertarianism, it was called a government staying within the confines of the constitution.
>>8
This implies equating libertarianism with anarchism, which very few libertarians advocate. But I would more accurately call those libertarians anarcho-capitalists. Most libertarians call for small government, because there needs to be some form of government to maintain a civilized society.
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Anonymous2009-12-07 6:30
>>9
small government would wage war on the workers, raping and plundering until, chaos reigns.
government needs to maintain a civilized society which very few libertarians advocate. But Most libertarians call for anarchism, those who didn't want to work would wage war on the workers, raping and plundering until, chaos reigns.
>>10 But Most libertarians call for anarchism
Untrue.
government needs to maintain a civilized society which very few libertarians advocate.
Extremely untrue.
Those people you refer to are not libertarians, they're anarcho-capitalists.
small government would wage war on the workers, raping and plundering until, chaos reigns.
What's to say that big government doesn't do this already? Minus the chaos part.
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Anonymous2009-12-07 23:26
>>9
It wasn't very libertarian for women and blacks and injuns now was it -- it was false from the start
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Anonymous2009-12-07 23:36
>>11
"big government" is a mantra of the corporate class and their malleable drones of the ordinary class who used to only need one paycheck per family to be fine. your realy problem is the ease that societies leeches can work for an industry then be in government then be in lobby organization for that industry and back again, so that the citizen is not important, while the corporation has been given the rights of a citizen and can fund political campaigns
>>13
Well yes, I agree. Which is why when the bailouts were being done, Goldman Sachs were reporting record profits and handing out big bonuses while the everyday man was trying to figure out where he was going to live next.
>>12
The social aspect of what libertarianism is now wasn't practiced back then unfortunately. It would be wonderful to go back to change that, but alas, a time machine is nowhere to be found.
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Anonymous2009-12-08 3:39
>>14
I can certainly agree with this article. The issue I believe is that libertarians praise for corporations because it's more marketable that way. Even as a libertarian, I disagree with this because corporatism is exactly the reason why we have these bailouts and executives getting big fat bonuses while everybody else suffers.
The thing is, the USA used to be one of the most egalitarian nations on the planet. Why? Because we had the family farms, not the Wal-Marts, the Shop & Shops, and the ShopRites. We had much more of the local auto mechanics, not the Jiffy Lubes, we had much more of the family owned burger joints, not a McDonald's on every street corner, etc.
If our economy went back to the individual, there's no doubt in my mind that we would be back on the right track.
Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.
What is the difference between a man and a parasite? A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?' A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God...
I believe in no God, no invisible man in the sky. But there is something more powerful in each of us, a combination of our efforts, a great chain of industry that unites us. But it is only when we struggle in our own interests that the chain pulls society in the right direction. The chain is too powerful and too mysterious for any government to guide. Any man who tells you differently either has his hand in your pocket or a pistol to your neck.