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'All students should be armed'

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 16:27 ID:l4vmyFbF

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21581323-2,00.html

THE man who sold Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui a high-powered pistol yesterday said he bore no responsibility for the tragedy.

Instead, gun dealer John Markell blamed the university for the slaughter, saying if guns had not been banned on the campus victims would have been able to defend themselves.

Mr Markell said all his staff could remember about Cho was that he was smartly dressed and had "an easy manner" when he bought a 9mm Glock semi-automatic five weeks ago for $682 after minimal checks under Virginia's loose gun control laws.

His words came as a simmering debate raged in the gun-loving United States, with passionate arguments from both sides.

The US media have branded the 23-year-old mass murderer as a mad loner - but American academics said the shooting required a broader review of US culture.

Johns Hopkins University Sociology Professor Joseph Gasper said there was a culture of violence in the US and many American movies and TV linked it to manhood.

He also said the ready availability of guns made it easier to commit crimes.

"I would urge people to avoid attributing the crime in Virginia to the mental illness of an individual and focus on the myriad social factors that would play a role in this sort of violent crime," Mr Gasper said.

He pointed to social marginalisation, violence in the media and masculinity as among the factors that needed to be examined.

About 40 per cent of American households own a gun. Some 200 million weapons are in private hands there and challenging the constitutional right to bear arms is potentially a hugely unpopular move.

President George W. Bush said while the shooting would inevitably rekindle debate about gun ownership, now was not the time to discuss it.

House Democratic Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said in Washington that lawmakers would discuss the extremely sensitive issue but there were no immediate plans for legislation.

Gun lobbyists claimed that the worst mass shooting murder in US history proved guns should be more readily available.

John Velleco of the powerful Gun Owners of America lobby group said a lack of guns among the university staff and students had allowed the massacre to happen.

"It's tragic to mandatorily disarm the citizenry and create these gun-free zones which are, in a sense, you know, giving these deranged madmen easy targets," he said.

Mr Markell took the same stance.

"Students are thrown out if they are found to carry guns on campus and professors are dismissed if they carry them," the 58-year-old gun dealer said.

"If you had responsible folk on that site carrying firearms, this would never have got so out of control.

"He would have been stopped in his tracks."


Name: Bunnyloaf 2007-04-18 16:29 ID:kDrtvgCs

TLDR

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 16:46 ID:XzPHr6qk

"If you had responsible folk on that site carrying firearms, this would never have got so out of control.

What if there had been irresponsible folk on site randomly shooting each other every day after day?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 18:52 ID:xz82SudX

FIRE ARMS
HEHEHEHE
FIRRRRRRRRRE

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 18:58 ID:NYaqCUDJ

No, fire arms shouldnt be in the hands of students

however, schools should have security check point stations with an armed officer, incase anything of this magnitude happens again

what will this do?

well good thing you asked, it will give the school and students a sense of security and also if  a problem occurs police response times will be quicker

one guard booth per section of school if divided into 5 zones, 3 on the first and ground floors and 2 on the 2nd floor if a school has.


itd be tragic if everyone had guns, imagine fights in school,


j00 diss me punk im a kill j00 situations

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 19:01 ID:Heaven

>>5
schools should have security check point stations with an armed officer

And you'll accept the tax hike to pay for this?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 19:27 ID:t76+NnJA

just keep ignoring the need for gun laws.

that way we just wait while you wipe yourselves out.

stupid amerikans...

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 19:33 ID:dG4O2Xy2

Man wtf. Now they are going to make it legal so everyone on campus can carry guns? Oh gee. Since some kid shoot 32 people, how bout we make all the 20,000 students who go their be allowed to hold guns. Do you know how much bigger a whole they are digging themselves by doing this? I bet at any chance we get, we'll just pull a gun out and solve all our problems. yep, giving us more weapons and making them legal in school zones is the way to go~

Name: Bunnyloaf 2007-04-18 19:35 ID:kDrtvgCs

This obviously means more dead kids.

Awesome!

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 19:43 ID:t76+NnJA

>>9
i say let them loosen weapon control laws. allow the use of high explosives. ah fuck it. artillery too.

i give amerika 1 week to self-destruct after introducing that law...

good fucking riddance. just send you hollywood starlets my way first :)

Name: God 2007-04-18 20:14 ID:0yTAVC8S

Gun control's for wimps and commies. The more people that own guns the more liable someone is to pull out their own gun and shoot someone on a killing spree. If every American owned a gun, the number of murders would decrease, because killing sprees would likely stop altogether. Not to mention that 9/11 most likely wouldn't have happened if all hundred and something people on the plane had had a gun. Someone would have popped a cap in the terrorists punk-asses.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 20:56 ID:t76+NnJA

>>11
no wonder the worlds fucked up. god's lost his mind...

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-18 21:35 ID:XvvLlvwN

Damn asians.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 0:48 ID:qeV4cIjv

1000s of teenagers with guns, what could go wrong

Name: sumarugatu 2007-04-19 2:26 ID:MzlXSzSj

God is right! you cannot control illegal drugs. so treat a gun as a drug projectile... thing.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 2:39 ID:zNbbKwiT

>>14
Of course they would have strict regulations and only allow certain model students/teachers to carry them.

Name: sumarugatu 2007-04-19 2:40 ID:MzlXSzSj

what... like a student "rent a cop"?

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 2:44 ID:zNbbKwiT

>>17
Pretty much.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 2:46 ID:qeV4cIjv

>>16
Hall Monitor from fukkin my nightmare

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 3:39 ID:ourM6vrI

>>15
but you cant buy illegal drugs at walmart...

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:02 ID:0+RL+gjh

let's play seriouse cat for just a second here.

point 1:  "gun-free zones" are a fucking failure.  that policy saved zero lives at vtech.  33 people are dead, and your precious campus policies did nothing to prevent it.  it's time to accept the obvious.

point 2:  nobody's advocating handing guns to students, or writing a blank cheque for concealed weapons for everyone.  the fact is that there are many students around the country who have applied for and obtained concealed handgun licenses, and we carry everywhere but on campus.  check the stats on crime committed by these licensed individuals, and tell me they're a threat to anyone but rapists and killers.

point 3:  self-defense is a personal right.  i may be a student, but i am also an adult and a citizen.

point 4:  if you don't think an armed person would have stood a good chance at cutting this massacre short, you're an idiot.  if a psychopath can kill 33 people with a pistol he bought a week prior, you'd better believe that i could manage to score one.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:03 ID:wgRxF2pf

>>21
tl;dr

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:33 ID:xKtuQvbJ

>>21
point 1:  "gun-free zones" are a fucking failure.  that policy saved zero lives at vtech.  33 people are dead, and your precious campus policies did nothing to prevent it.  it's time to accept the obvious.

Gun-free zones are not about saving lives, it's about creating an atmosphere where you can relax without niggers running around with guns.

point 2:  nobody's advocating handing guns to students, or writing a blank cheque for concealed weapons for everyone.  the fact is that there are many students around the country who have applied for and obtained concealed handgun licenses, and we carry everywhere but on campus.  check the stats on crime committed by these licensed individuals, and tell me they're a threat to anyone but rapists and killers.

The burden of proof is upon you, provide a reliable objective non-amerikan source and I will read it.

point 3:  self-defense is a personal right.  i may be a student, but i am also an adult and a citizen.

No, it is not a right.

point 4:  if you don't think an armed person would have stood a good chance at cutting this massacre short, you're an idiot.  if a psychopath can kill 33 people with a pistol he bought a week prior, you'd better believe that i could manage to score one.

I, for one, would run away instead of trying to become a hero.  Any sane person would likely do the same.

One thing -- if everyone was indeed carrying guns -- intelligent people like Cho would instead have used indirect ways of killing, such as explosives, nerve gas, and so on.  Guns don't protect against those types of crimes (nothing does, except stricter control -- and even then, it's always possible to build something deadly out of normal things).

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:34 ID:wgRxF2pf

>>23
tl;dr;gtfo

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:46 ID:qeV4cIjv

>>21
LAFFO US politics

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:47 ID:zNbbKwiT

>>24
get a brain moran

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:53 ID:wgRxF2pf

>>26
Too Gay;GTFO!!!

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 4:59 ID:YwsxiK6V

Oh yeah. The problem is, it's way too easy to get guns. So how do we solve the problem? More guns. Guns everywhere. Every newborn babe should be given a handgun. More guns will really help this sorry situation North America is in.

Why doesn't this shit happen in Canaduh? Hmm, let's think about it for a moment.

*scratches head with gun*

You think guns give us more security. That's wrong. Guns put us in a world of paranoia and fear. Guns may not be the root of the problem in America, but they sure as fuck aren't helping anything.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:00 ID:wgRxF2pf

>>28
I hear ya!!
Check out this link:
stopgunmadness.on.nimp.org

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:01 ID:zNbbKwiT

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:03 ID:wgRxF2pf

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:05 ID:zNbbKwiT

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Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:09 ID:YwsxiK6V

>>29
Well that was rude.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:11 ID:wgRxF2pf

>>33
lol. owned.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:16 ID:YwsxiK6V

Yup. That's the last time I do that.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:17 ID:zNbbKwiT

>>34
nt rly

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:19 ID:wgRxF2pf

>>36
ys rly

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:21 ID:YwsxiK6V

>>36
Ya loli.

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:51 ID:tM8A6h+3

LOL! AMERICA!

Name: Anonymous 2007-04-19 5:51 ID:ourM6vrI

>>28
listen to this man.

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