Truth

Imagine this:
Two men are walking in an almost-empty parking lot. By this I mean there are approximately 60 car slots, and 7 cars. There is few enough cars to be at any point in the lot and be able to see every car. Suddenly, one man stops the other.

"There is the car," he says.

"I see no car," says the second man.

So we find ourselves in a predicament. Much like the question "does the tree make any sound?", I ask you: is the car really there? Which man is sane, and which is insane? This is a microcosm of the definition of truth. Because, isn't truth nothing more than popular acceptance? It is true that cells are the smallest unit of an organism. It is true that Columbus set foot on North America in 1492. Isn't it? What if there was another man there? A third party who says, let's say, the car really isn't there. Then the lone man is crazy and it is truth that that the car isn't there. But does that make the car's existence any more true or untrue? More probable, maybe, but truer... I don't think so. Now lets expand this microcosm into the real world, and perhaps the ratio of "crazy men" to "sane men" (who know the truth). Let's say one man claims that Christopher Columbus set foot on North America last year. All would say that he is insane. But what prevents it from being true? Or better yet, let's say all people agree on one thing, like Christopher Columbus landing in 1492. Does that make it true?

The answer is no. Truth cannot be defined as popular acceptance. Just as easily as something can be "true", it can be "untrue". These ideas form the basis of the theory known as Skepticism. That theory states that nothing can be for certain. However, I've come to realize that one thing can be for certain. That is love. Love between two people, or love between a man and God, is eternally true. That is because love is not something that can be known. That is, it is not something that can be explained. It is something that can only be felt. Knowledge is not truth. Only love is truth.

Afterlife, among other things, is the relief of ignorance and fulfillment of knowledge, as in most cultures. These cultures believe that when in the afterlife, a man knows all and his soul can rest. This is true. But people have come to regard this "fulfillment of knowledge" as knowing things, such as all aspects of Science, including the human mind, or more abstract, religious things like "what is God's plan?". The afterlife is nothing more than complete love. Love is the only truth and holding it completely will be complete truth. All aspects of the Universe are contained by love. They were created by love and are controlled by love. I'm not quite sure whether Jesus of Nazareth is indeed El Christo, but he certainly did carry the right message: God is Love. God is the ultimate, omnipresent power in the Universe. Love is that power, that we know exists, we know its power, yet is intangible.

Most importantly, you cannot know love. You can only feel it. It is truth, and all the power of the universe lies within it. Perhaps one of the greatest accomplishments of man is to not "know" love, but to know it exists.

Thats awsome. You are awsome.

My wrist really friggin' hurts. Does anybody have any idea what carpel tunnel feels like, or knows what it must feel like? Any information. I don't want to sound like a pussy, or a limp-wristed gaymo, but this really sucks. I got these numbing, stabbing pains when I was carrying my books at school, and I really want to know what this is about.

you probably are just suffering from some sort of tendinitis. You can tell if the pain is coming from a tendon, somewhat near the joint of your bones. Another sympton is if appears to hurt more at night, than opposed to day time.

you are suffering from a mild heart attack..However unlikely this may sound people from 0-30 have been known to keel over dead from a heart attack. It is a possibility. Still you should get checked out if it is (really hurting)

Um. I'm 90% sure this is copy paste, but whatever good stuff I see, Even though I don't know what your asking. And there were people who set foot on North America before christopher columbus. They were native indians. When Chris colonized america they were kicked off their land. Hell that's the whole point of thanksgiving. Indians gathered all their spring food as a fest, and in return they were booted off. Shame huh?

anyway back on topic, we already know 4chan is full of atheist, so you might get bashed with stuff like " there is no god" and other bs.

>>6
Mexicans

I pay attention

I have reached a bad point in my life . I have my linux box torn apart and it is installing Windows XP. Because I think that may be my only option to save it at this moment. My 40 gig hard drive that was holding linux has confused the hell out of me. I mean I can't even get into bios when it is plugged in, I tried to put it in my other computer to fix it w/drive management or partition magic, it just trys to boot into linux, I cant boot into Windows to partition the hard drive, therefore I can't do anything with the 40 gig hard drive, what should I do?

Who knows if you suck at life.

>>9
why don't you shut the fuck up.

No one gives a shit about your inane problem.do you really expect any help from people here? If so, you are a complete Koran.

>>9

I'm not really a technician, but why on earth are you asking that here of all places? You'd find much better support elsewhere..not 4chan..And since you are online you best go search and fix it instead of delaying it.

>>9

That's the nerdiest fucking thing I've ever seen. How bout you delete all that anime porno off of your computer, maybe then it will work? Lick my ass, I'll partition my hard cock into your anus. Format that, you unfunny, sack squeezing grundle gopher.

>>12
My computer has been ridiculously slow lately.. and it is because the process "svchost.exe" is taking up 80-99% of my cpu processing. There is definitely something wrong there...know how to fix that, other than reformatting?

>>14

Yea, there is something terribly wrong I beleive. svchost is the thing that supports your internet connection or something like that, maybe you have too much spyware or are being hacked?? I dont know, maybe someone with some more knowledge can come here and clarify.

>>14
Here is what you should do.

Ctrl+Alt+Del Then go to task manager. Next, go to the processes tab. There should be just one or two processes running. If you have a whole bunch, you need to just select them all and hit, "End Process" Processes can build up on your machien and slow it down alot.

Your computer might crash if you have a virus. If it does, then do this when it restarts:

Go to C:\WINNT\ or wherever your process files are kept. In this folder is a ton of junk that has built up on your system. Every megahurtz clock cycle has to run a sorting A* algorithim on all this stuff. So select it all, and delete it. It might give you warning messages, but windows is so user safe they just don't want a hacker deleting it all.

Hope this helps.

>>14
I actually had this problem a while ago. It crashed my computer many a time while scvhost just kept running over and over again.

Two things you might wanna try are as follows.

-Download AVG anti virus. The best free virus program I have ever seen. Very good. Do a complete scan of your computer. You can download it at the following site. http://www.vnunet.com/downloads/1123822

-Look for a file named dll6dsys.exe
If you find this file on your computer, it is doubtful that you will be able to delete it. It's one hell of a sticky bug I can tell you. AVG can't even quarantine it. If this is the case, if the file is present, get zone alarm. Easily the best firewall out there that you can get for free. Be sure to deny "dll6dsys.exe" access to the web.

So if solution one doesn't work, try solution 2.

Also, the weakness for this problem cropping up is usually that the computer you are using doesn't have a password for when you log on. If you don't have a password for when your computer starts, try putting a password in the field to prevent a similar problem from cropping up.

>>14
Probably your PC got infected by some new worm or virus.
Go to www.microsoft.com and download the latest security upgrades
and then go to housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_frame.asp and let them scan your PC.

This shit is insane.

Hm but number 15-18 are right. it didnt actually think they'd post how to do it though. Oo;;

Why is it that we get upset over such trivial thing as choice of words. Mentally impaired and retarded mean the same thing, whats the big deal.

I am getting sick and disgusted with censorship as well. In public, the other day I was joking with one of my friends who is black. Since we're all friends they don't mind when I say nigga, or nigger and I was just joking around.

One of those PC bastards that you see on the news all of the time whining about every little thing that can be seen and obscene happens to be walking behind us and then he goes off on me and says "HOW DARE YOU MAKE RACIST REMARKS!" then he turned to my friends and started babbling on about how they won their rights and all of that shit.

So okay, it's alright for black people to call each other nigga but if a white person does it, it all of a sudden becomes taboo? I will never understand the people of this world.

>>21
I think it isn't so much the words themselves people use, but the connotations and meanings that are behind them (or meanings people believe they have).

But to address your point about mentally impaired and retarded being the same thing: You're wrong. Mentally impaired is a broad term that can even mean having a slight learning deficiency. If someone has a learning deficiency, they are not necessarily retarded.

As for nigger, ofcourse people are going to be offened by it, you fool. It is probably one of the most classic demeaning terms ever and older people will take its use to heart.

You cannot expect everyone to be as thick skinned and/or dense as you, especially when the words used are notoriously historically offensive.

>>21
I think you're right about being pissed off about some guy heckling you for what you say to your friends because its none of his business or did he know the situation. But, if a lot of black people are offended by the term and say "White people, please don't call us this." I think thats fair, even if they want to call themselves that.

Complain about the guy heckling you because you were allowed, but don't think everyone of the black community wants to have that insult thrown upon them.

In conclusion, censorship can go overboard but it works both ways and is necessary for the public to choose what they want to hear/see.

>>22
People get offended when they are called something that they know they are, but they can't help it.

>>21
'How dare you use that racist word towards a friend?

Nigger, I'm hoping you realise, was used originally by white people to demean black people. Of course when a white person say that to a black person they may become upset.

Jesus, what's so hard to understand that some people find some words offensive when used by people?

>>25
Nigger is derived from the Latin word for the color black, niger. According to the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, it did not originate as a slur but took on a derogatory connotation over time. Nigger and other words related to it have been spelled in a variety of ways, including niggah, nigguh, niggur, and niggar. When John Rolfe recorded in his journal the first shipment of Africans to Virginia in 1619, he listed them as "negars." A 1689 inventory of an estate in Brooklyn, New York, made mention of an enslaved "niggor" boy. The seminal lexicographer Noah Webster referred to Negroes as "negers." (Currently some people insist upon distinguishing nigger—which they see as exclusively an insult—from nigga, which they view as a term capable of signaling friendly salutation.) In the 1700s niger appeared in what the dictionary describes as "dignified argumentation" such as Samuel Sewall's denunciation of slavery, The Selling of Joseph. No one knows precisely when or how niger turned derisively into nigger and attained a pejorative meaning. We do know, however, that by the end of the first third of the nineteenth century, nigger had already become a familiar and influential insult.

I can't fucking stand political correctness. It annoys the living hell out of me. It bugs me to no end. Okay, you get the picture.

I've read about many bureaucratic issues in the media. Some are just plain crazy, especially things to do with lawyers cashing in on "human rights" issues. The European human rights act is seriously retarded and is nothing more than a money-grabber for these stupid bureaucrat twats.

It needs urgent reform to stop criminals appealing to the courts about how crappy jail is. Whose fault was it you're in jail anyway, you criminal arsehole?

If you ask me, if someone murders another person, they should be made to forfeit their rights. The EU can take their "human rights" law and shove it.

>>27


I know, every once in a while I turn on the TV and turn to stupid talk shows and I always hear them talking about how jails should be made more comfy, and how cerial killers shouldn't be given "cruel and unusual punishment". Wait a second, are people so pathetic that they stick up for cerial killers? He could have killed you, ya know.

I agree, I think criminals should have their rights taken away. If I could make the laws, first offense would be 1 year in jail. No getting off free for a first time offense period. We need to enforce the law here. I don't care if you rob a candy store, 1 year is the minimum. I don't care if we have to put 50 people in every cell.

>>28
We need to reintroduce corporal punishment. If we have to execute killers and paedophiles, then that will do everyone a big favour if they aren't even in existence. None of this compassionate "human rights" bullshit. Every human has a right to live without fear of being killed. I think as soon as someone takes another's life unjustly should be denied the right to live, like the killer denied their victim.

Whatever happened to the days of when a punishment really did fit the crime and made the criminal reflect on their heinous acts?

>>26
The word "nigger" cannot possibly be exceed its level of harmlessness. Do you know how to say "black" in Latin? If you guessed "niger", then you are bloody fucking correct. I refuse to abide by politically-correct standards, and I frown upon those who compromise themselves for conforming to a social regulation.

I've fucking well lost my wallet!

What a fucking rort. That's not all though. The fucking real pissing Mc shit arse ballsbooby of the whole lot of it... is that it may fucking well still actually be inside my room...

FUCK YOU SELF!

What sort of retarded fucking tool brained prat can't even find their own fucking wallet insise their OWN FUCKING ROOM? I seriously deserve to be smacked upside the head with an iron girder, a la Donkey Kong or some shit, and then forced to watch touched by an angel non stop for twenty years until I finally spontaneously combust and leave "AARRRGGGGHHHH MY EYE'S, MY EYE'S!" burnt into the ground as my only trace of ever existing. But, uhh, I guess instead of that actually happening, I'll just tell you losers the story of it all...

SO thursday night is my usual amusing evening of drunken stupidity at the club of goodness that I commonly refer to as Drunktrust. Last thursday though, I caught up with one of my mates who has just got back from a holiday with his girlfriend... heh, well as of the second night of the holiday, EX girlfriend, hahaha. This dude broke up with his girl while he was thousands of miles from home, with nothing but his wallet (cry) on him. She then proceeded crack the fucking shits massively, locks him out of her parents house (where ALL his stuff was - including plane ticket, hahaha) and he was forced to spend the night in a hostel, alone in a strange town. Is there any reason to wonder why this guy and I get on so well? Hell no.

So anyway, my mate (Yamez) and I meet up that afternoon and end up at my work, overlooking the city and sucking back cocktail after cocktail. So we paid our bill and were about to leave, when all of a sudden this fucking majestic bounty comes at us. One of the chefs has made us this glorious bruscetta, and thrown in a dozen oysters kilpatrick to boot. A quick wallet check reveals that my arse is still with it's trusty companion, and life is good.

An hour or so later, we stumble out of the place and hit the bar downstairs, that is staffed exclusively with ridiculously hot chicks. After flirting and hitting on a few of these chicks for a while, we find out that ther reason one of them looked so familiar is that she is the girlfriend of one of Yamez's ex's housemates (uhh, if you still follow that) and so we decide to beat a hasty retreat. We spend the next five or ten minutes pissing ourselves laughing at the small world we live in and coming up with all sorts of scenarios that involve Yamez getting the shit beaten out of him, first by this chicks boyfriend, and then by his ex. Quick wallet check, and again, the world is a good place to live in.

So anyway... Drunktrust. Yamez goes home cos he has to catch a plane at 9am to go to Brisbane and see his uncle get married or some shit. Who cares. I call him a fag and leave him to cry himself to sleep. I can still see most of the rest of the night in my mind, but it's like a Monet exhibition that hasn't been totally unpacked. Some walls are completely blank, and the ones that do have pictures on them are all bluured and hard to make out.

Here is what I can make out...

Lots of tequilla was consumed

I met up with a friend of a friend who I've been out with once before. The guy used to be an investment banker, so he's loaded, but he's not an uptight fuckwit, he's hilarious. He quit being an investment banker and started managing a pub. Our last encounter started off with ten or so people at his pub, and then quickly moved to a titty bar. heh, and hilarity ensued. Anyway, now I see him again and he's back to the investment banking. I tried buying him drinks, but he wouldn't let me, and kept buying round after round of tequilla, while we took the piss out of fat chicks, narrowly avoided getting slapped and then pretended to be the two old guys from the muppets. I'll take a stab in the dark and say I made another wallet check and everything is peaches and cream, but who really knows.

I spent a while talking to the girlfriend of some dude I know, and I can't for the life of me remember what I talked to her about, but I woke up with her phone number in my phone. uhhh... score? *shrug*

I also found the phone number of the bar MAN in my pockets when I cleaned them out the next day. hahahah what the fuck? Was I seriously THAT drunk? Damn.

Actually, scratch any homoerotic insinuation that I may have just alluded to there, I remember that it was his birthday and he wanted me to score him some speed, and if I did, he would sort me out good and propper, drink wise. Considering I had trouble remembering that, I guess I was right for drinks at the time.

Somewhere throughout all this shit I danced like a motherfucker all over the place, but who knows when.

Somewhere in all of this, one of the girls from work showed up, but I'm totally fucked if I know when she got there or even if we hung out that much, cos uhhh... the only reason I even know that she was there is because she ended up back at my place afterwards.

So the wallet, right? Yeah. Motherfucker. So we caught a cab home. I must've had the thing then, cos I payed for the cab with money that I keep inside my wallet. Now was I so fucking uber retarded that I can't even hit my own back pocket with a hand that is attatched to my own fucking arm, and dropped it in the cab on the way out? Maybe...

We went inside and hung out in my room for a while and spouted some drunken bullshit to each other before finally going to bed. I woke up the next morning and couldn't find the bloody thing anywhere. Hangovers suck fucking balls, and one of us, (it's me, not you just in case you're wondering) had to fucking go to work. Now I've got a pretty fucking messy room, so I didn't think too much of it. I get home from work, fully expecting to find the goodness amongst a pile of clothes or in a couch or something... but no. Fucking NOTHING. I turned the bloody place over
about three times. Nothing.

FUCKING NOTHING.

Where the fucking arse balls is my fucking wallet?! You stupid drunken fucking tool, how the fuck can you not have a clue of what went on between the cab and my bloody room?! It's the same damned routine every night. It's exactly like my wang, it either comes out straight away and gets rested on the table, or it stays on my arse untill it gets uncomfortable and I get up and pull it out before I go to bed. So it's either on the table, or on the couch, yeah?

SO QUIT FUCKING HIDING YOU LITTLE CUNT!

My couch is chock a block full of clothes, so it's totally feasible that it could be hidden in that mess somewhere, but I'm fucked if I can find it. It's not on my desk. That's easy to tell. So where then? Under the bed? Nope. Behind the couch? Nope. In my collection of porn magazines? Nope. Next to the picture of yo mamma? Nope. In my wall safe? Dude, you don't have a wall safe... ohhh yeah. SHIT! Where the FUCK then?

The cab? Probably. But a fucking ring around of every cab company in Sydney (cos we have fucking heaps, and I was waaaaaaaay too pickled to have any idea of what kind of cab we jumped in) revealed a big fat fucking zero in any of their lost property departments.

This totally sucks. I hate you brain. How fucking dare you let some sort of pussy arsed thing like alcomahol take advantage of you, like some sort of cheap slut and totally fuck you up the arse and not let you remember what the hell happened. You're so off the fucking team. Fuk you and fuck the world, I'm going to go and console myself with that letter the Queen sent me that I keep in my wall safe.

>>31
I lost my wallet last year in dec. never found it. got my id, ss card, phone numbers I don't have anymore, I hate that shit. I checked everywhere from friends cars and houses to the pool halls we frequent. I feel your pain. hey bnose, how did you get to this site and respond to this post without eyes? I gotta know your secret. got skillz or what?

I have my little sisters well trained. They take turns reading and typing for me.

>>30
You guys heard of Fred Hoyle before? This guy argued against the current interpretation of the Big Bang theory (he coined the term, Big Bang, by the way), but not the Big Bang itself... or something like that. I'm not paticularly sure, actually, but I found it interesting that he "cautioned that [the Big Bang] may not have been a chance happening." He said:
"The universe has to know in advance what it is going to be before it knows how to start itself. For in accordance with the Big Bang Theory, for instance, at a time of 10 [to the minus 43] seconds the universe has to know how many types of neutrino there are going to be at a time of 1 second. This is so in order that it starts off expanding at the right rate to fit the eventual number of neutrino types . . . An explosion in a junkyard does not lead to sundry bits of metal being assembled into a working machine."

And then there is a biology professor Kenneth Miller who says that "Evolution is certainly not so 'cruel' that it cannot be compatible with the notion of a loving god. All that evolution points out is that every organism that has ever lived will eventually die. This is not a special feature of Darwinian theory, but an obeservable, verifiable fact. The driving force behind evolutionary change is differential reproductive success, the fact that some organisms leave more offsping than others. Yes, the strugle for existence sometimes involves competition and predation, but just as often it involves cooperation, care, and extraordinary beauty."

And, one last quote from some guy I've only just heard of, geneticist Frances Collins says
"When something new is revealed about the human genome, I experience a feeling of awe at the realization that humanity now knows something only God knew before. It is a deeply moving sensation that helps me appreciate the spirtual side of life, and also makes the practice of science more rewarding."

So what's the point of all this crap? I just think it's interesting the way some people can incorporate science into their religion in such a harmonizing way. And it does offer a view I hadn't really thought of before. Granted, everyone can say that Darwin didn't disprove the Bible and that evolution and Christianity can go along just fine... but there's something different when a biologist tells you. But do you guys know anything more about these guys or this topic? I'm curious, but I haven't got the time to really time or energy (or, I'm fucking lazy, however you want to look at it) to google it. And I still have the Cultural Anthroplogy book to read, which is so boring I've actually cried a few times trying to read it.

If you guys don't want to get into a religious debate, don't turn it into one or just don't read it, man. No one's shoving it in your face. If it does get out of hand or you think it could be, I promise not to be offended if it gets locked or deleted.

>>34
There is certainly nothing stopping anyone from believing both in God and in evolution. Scientists are not mostly athiests, they are just regular people who conduct experiments are write papers for a living.

That being said, there is something rediculous to me about someone who tries to make his religious beliefs fit with current science. As more answers are being provided by science and experimentations, many of the mysteries of the world, once under the sole authority of religious leaders, are being exposed and understood. When new truths are discovered that conflict with the idea of God, particularly an active christian God, then the nature of that God has to change to accomodate the new truth.

How much can you change the idea of God before he becomes something completely different?

There was a time, and there are places today, where only a literal interpretation of the bible was acceptable. Now that our understanding of the natural world, and our place in it has expanded to make the stories in the bible obviously untrue, we are forced to look at them as metaphores and fables meant only to deliver a moral message.

This is very different from religious thought a hundred years ago, or a thousand years ago, and may well be totally agaisnt the intentions of the bible's many authors. We have no choice however but to accept this change, because realities and truths have been discovered that cannot allow us to believe that God created all there is in 7 days, that the world is flat and supported by magical pillars, or that the sun can be stopped in the sky.

These revelations force us to react in one of 3 ways: throw out our religious convictions, deny the truths discovered by science, or change our religion just enough to put us back into our comfort zone.

People in north america today do not worship the same God as ancient Isrealites did. They don't worship the God of Jesus Christ and his contemporaries. They don't worship the Allah of Mohammed.

God has been changed by the progress we have made in our understanding, and will likely continue to change until he can no longer change, then he will die.

>>35
Instead of just basing your faith on what you perceive with the 5 sense, they're taking what they know by reason and applying what they feel 'in the soul' to that (Something Plato would be fond of?). For some people, the complex harmony of life, the universe and everything only reafirms their belief in God, that something like that can't happen by accident (like the first guy's quote). I think it makes sense, really. Faith comes from the world you know to explain what you don't, this leads to the evolution of religion. It can't just stay the same way forever.

Like in the 1920's when God switched his image from the "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" (a sermon) to a kinder, bleeding heart God we commonly know today. As life changes, your view of the otherwordly is bound to change, also. It's not a purposeful conspiracy to keep God alive, it's just something that happens with the evolution of society, like gender roles.

And with the extent of globalization that we've got it's hard to not have influences from other faiths and religions. And a lot of religions are more flexible (Like the Hindu Hymn of Creation where it says something like 'what happened in the very beginning? No one knows but god, and maybe even he doesn't know' in the last stanza) that they don't counter modern advances in science but embrace them as they come (I'm not trying to say that Hinduism an ever advancing religion or better than any others)

If faith exists to explain this world, then as this world is explained more and more, faith will continue to exist to explain why we think or something like that. Didn't Discartes reason that his ability to reason is proof enough of God's existance? Maybe God will become our ability to reason or our emotions, maybe God will become that thing which ties the world together or become less sentient overtime and more of just a thing. But I doubt he/she/they'll die out all together.

Let's make a time machine and find out for sure!

I went to a Catholic school where they taught evolution. I'm not a Christian, but hey, it was pretty cool.

Anyway.

Yeah, a lot of scientists find God through science. However, a lot of Christians become scientists and slowly become atheistic. It all balances out in the end.

What I'm tired of hearing is the term "one true god." True? What the hell do you mean a "true" god? What I have against Christianity, and every religion, for that matter, is that they all hate each other. No one else can be right, and everyone else is going to hell. It pisses me off that religion tears the world apart.

Albert Einstein once said "I don't need to be told that there is a god; I want to know what he thinks."

Believe what you want. Seriously. I've adopted philosophies from many religions. As far as Christianity is concerned, I refer to the words of Christ. You know, that lord and savior guy?

Funny thing, I never remember him ever saying that non-Christians, or anyone for that matter, were condemned to hell. He said "Love one another as I have loved you."

My grandfather told me when I was young: "Why should a person go to hell if they live a good life and they're Jewish? Or if they're Buddhists?" And I think that this is the way that we should look at the world.

Because guess what?

We're all exactly the same. We're all made of flesh and bone, we all have warm blood coursing through our veins, and we all have our own perception on things.

I won't go any further into theories or philosophies, because it's too late for all that and you've probably heard it from me already, anyway.

I've always seen my own religious beliefs as seperate from my understanding of the scientific world i do however follow my own theological beliefs through a tract of my own logic and personal philosophy as opposed to blind faith .
I do however pity creationist scientists due to the fact they are in essance living a lie: religion is not scientific: scientific method of obeservation and contemplation completly refutes any claims of the bible in general the term creationism as a science is a contradition in terms but i digress.
belief in religion is one thing but belief that all dogma is truth is another entirly this is why idiots such as pat roberson have no futre their base will crumble in time due to their inability to adapt and change. Religion must adapt to what has been disproven within it's text and acomidate it to it's philisopical veiwpoints.
Another thing that annoys me that if something cannot be explained by science than it must be...GOD something not explained by science simply mean they havnt found the explanation yet but that does not mean that their isnt a rational logical explanation.

Ok, to all of you religious types, I give you ONE request. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Ok, no seriously, for once, just once, accept the notion, that maybe, Juuuuust maybe, there is no god. Maybe shit just happens. Humans have this Idea that because we are born and die, that EVERYTHING must have a beginning and an end. What if such is not the case? The best arguement I have ever heard from a Christian trying to argue against science is "HOW CAN YOU JUST BELIEVE IN SOMETHING YOU CAN'T SEE!!!?!?!?!!"

WHAT?!

WHAT!?!

HEAD ASPLODE!!!!!! AQ(FU#89HYTQG9QNBER 4 348QY3E9GTH3

What the fuck!? Are my ears bleeding? Because I feel like I am losing brain matter. I am not trying to tell you that Science is absolute and that religion is a total falacy (though in actuality, its close), after all, much of Science is theory. Thats T H E O R Y, meaning an Idea, not a belief, people who hold absolut in all things science piss me off just the same. Anyway, back to the point. I hate it how you zealots cling to belief like it is the only thing keeping you together. I know, I KNOW, that deep down, most of you are playing the game I did early on in highschool. You know that all of this is bullshit, all of it, but that is scary, how can something that you have believed in all of your life be false? Well what if it is? What if you have been wasting all of this time bowing down to some omnipotent figure that is now more that smoke and mirrors? I will tell you what, you are a fucking assbag. So do me TWO favors, THINK, thats one, and QUESTION your beliefs, that is two. If in the end you determine that what ever creed you were following is correct, than you will be that much more resolute, knowing that you tried something else and came back.

>>39
im not even sure were to start in reply to that.....
firstly your arguements have been repeated by every smart ass 14 year old ever, simply saying GOD DOES NOT EXIST or whatever in capital letters as maddox said: "I'm sure you'll find many self-proclaimed "enlightened" 14 year olds who have it all figured out and are more than happy to tell you their bullshit philosophy about religion and why your beliefs are wrong."=you fit into this catagory by the way, if yoyu havnt got anything constructive, intelligent or not trollish to say shut the fuck up.
secondly who the fuck says you cant have religious beliefs while following science? simply becouse you think certain parts of religion are bullshit does not mean you have to curl up in a ball sobing "it's a lie it's a lie". suprisingly religion is in fact open to debate...this why you have you have differant schools of thought in most religions (methodist,church of england,catholics etc) This is bassicly becouse religion can be expanded and evolve just like science a fundemetlist is a moron any day of the week becouse he wont accept other possibilities almost as bad is a bigoted arrogent fuckwit who wont acknoladge that others are entitled to their beliefs and that religions does not you a absolute retard automaticly
I have no problem with atheism, it has several good points and since i am a humanist i sypthise with several of it's veiwpoints .however this does not maen i consider them automaticly correct and i am willing argue with them provided they have good points,you Plezbo on the other hand have bassicly done what every bible thumping loony in the world does, shouted your veiwpoint loadly and obnoxiosly as possible aka GOD IS REAL THE BIBLE SAYS SO YOUR ALL ASSHATS GOING TO HELL or HOW CAN YOU JUST BELIEVE IN SOMETHING YOU CAN'T SEE!!!?!?!?!!" in essance you not rationally argueing your just shouting very loadly...quit being a dick and argue your points like you have a brain.

I pity the fools who cannot open up their minds to the other sides opinion.
I remember a few years ago, vaguely hearing of some book that described one main problem with society is the furthering divide between the spiritual and scientific sides of human studies. However, it seems that in recent years, the more open-minded individual has endevoured to bridge this gap, and encourages us to believe and respect both religion and science.
Also, there was an article I read about how faith has been found to be innate in the human mind. I don't know where I read it or anything on it, but it was pretty cool.

Religion is ok, and can be reconciled with scientific thought, as long as you are open about your beliefs.

My question then, is how open do you have to be? Right now moderate religious belief is hard to argue against on grounds of morality. They preach tolerance and openess, something that should be admirable to the christian as it is to the athiest. They're beliefs however share only the name of the religion that came before it.

I said before that God would die when our knowledge expanded farther than the idea could adapt. Let me alter that a bit:

God has died many many times in the past, only to be replaced by a new God who shares a few characteristics with the old. When I say died, I mean has fallen out of mainstream belief to slowly wither away to an extremist fringe and eventually to obscurity.

You can no doubt find some people or groups in north america who believe in the direct vengeful, wrathfull, interventionist God of the past, but generally most chirstians believe in a God of love and morals and metaphores. What happened to the vengeful God? He died, is what happened. He could no longer survive in a world of social conciousness brought about by industrialization and civil rights.

My point is: if it can happen to that God, then given future social development it can happen to any current interpretation of God. If the idea of God is so unstable, then what can we say is the fundamental character of our God?

This may look like an attack on christianity alone, but remember that even the vaunted religions of the new-age movement: hinduism, Buddhism, etc... They all talk about spirits and mysterious worlds beyond our own. They are as much emersed in mysticism as the moderate christians. And they too are subject to the progress of secular ideas and knowledge. I doubt that the mideaval Buddhist is very much like the modern celebrity one.

If religion has to evolve and change due to secular pressures, then what is it's real value? You can't say it's the universal message of love, because that is a more recent development. What fundamental value of any given religion has survived more than one or two revolutions in religious thought to be passed onto it's replacements?

Even the unchanging text of religious books change in interpretation.

This is what I don't understand about religion.

All religions tell you to be a good person. Right? But here's the catch. If you be a good person, you'll get rewarded.

I prefer to be a good person for the sake of being a good person.

The problem with religions is that they all want to tell you how to live. Instead of giving you a moral code to live by, they tell you who you can marry, what you can believe, when you can take a shit, and where you can place yourself in society.

Funny, reminds me of a little thing called COMMUNISM.

And that's what religion was at first; a form of government. You lived your life by the laws of the religion. And if a ruler wanted to change a law, they altered the religion. And people think the bible is still 100% accurate. Amazing.

So why does one religion hate another? Why does something that's supposed to be so god damned righteous have to be so fucking evil?

How many people have to die in the name of GOD before people realize that IT'S ALL THE SAME? They're all worshipping SOMETHING, isn't that good enough? Take the crusades, for instance. In the name of God, you know, the guy who said "Thou Shalt Not Kill," thousands (millions?) of innocent people were SLAUGHTERED. And what were they doing? Looking for the holy grail.

Well for one, the bible should be used as a symbol, not literal interpretation. Most people believe the bible and religion is wrong/stupid because they think they are suppose to follow it literally. And since the bible was wrote about a couple of thousands of years ago, it's quiet difficult to know what they are  truly speaking of or what they meant.

>>43
Well the crusades weren't about finding the holy grail...that came from stories about individual knights. The crusades were a preacher inspired invasion of the middle east to either push back the Islamic (moores) influence, or in the case of later crusades to punish them for encroaching on western authority. Each crusade was started by a different political force, the original being started by European princes and the pope, later onese being influenced by popular preachers and bishops in Europe.

Remember they happened not long after finally pushing the moores out of Spain, so they weren't just nonesense quests for mystical artifacts. The fact is that many knight orders gained fame in the middle east "liberating the holy land" and stories of thier searches for relics or their use of relics came back to mideaval europe creating stories for the people to believe in.

In the end it was just an exuse to stick it to the moores (muslims from africa who had conquered most of spain).

I used to be religious, maybe even considered a zealot. But some personal problems in my life ,which I would rather not talk about, led me to question my beliefs. I don't want to sound like an enlightened douche teen who thinsk he knows the correct ways of life, but it really has made me a better and more open minded person. I used to get fairly offended when someone cracked a priest pedo joke, but now I don't even care.

Seriously, do that. I doubt anyone can have total faith. Even when I was my most religious, I never believed most of the things I was told. But I was afraid to say it becasue they slapped that hell sticker on everything.

The crusades occur because the pope wanted power. Basically, he made it seem like if you joined the crusades you'd be all powerful and well respected, so obviously most people being peasants joined probably having nothing to do with Christianity. They may have killed many, but they doesn't make it right or what god intended. Those were all actions by a human. 

Black people don't deserve special treatment. Their ancestors were used as farm equipment, but then they were released from slavery. They weren't forced to stay in the country, and they aren't forced to now. They haven't been slaves themselves, and therefore don't deserve "reparations" for their "suffering," as they call it. They get hired over every other race because of this.

Let's take a look at one of the largest organizations behind this bullshit. It's called the "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People." These people complain about racism, and yet they call black people "colored," which sounds somewhat racist, at least to me. They make it sound as though their members are not as "advanced" as other people. Or maybe they're trying to "advance" their army towards world domination?

Black people get to call each other "Nigga", but white people can't? Why not? Any derogatory term for white people can be freely used by blacks, why the reverse discrimination?

The only policy I am on par with the United States' current adminstration is its opposition toward Affirmative Action programs. Anyone with the audacity to advocate such a concept is naive and more than likely a racist himself. Race, in the situation of employment and college admission, is a factor that should NEVER be taken into consideration.

Oh god, you racists make me sick.

Years of racial segregation and discrimination and SUDDENLY it's not ok to base anything on race anymore.

Try having some compassion and giving the less fortunate a hand you asswipes.

"Affirmative action" means positive steps taken to increase the representation of women and minorities in areas of employment, education, and business from which they have been historically excluded not giving privileges over the fact ancestors where used as farm tools. When Affirmative action originally began it was hard for African Americans to get into schools and jobs that they where qualified for.
This rant is crap it doesn’t show any proof or backing to why affirmative action is not needed or real evidence how blacks are chosen over other races because of Affirmative action.
Next you go on about reparations, this has more to do with government compensation than affirmative action so really it’s another issue all together.
THEN you go one about the NAACP and show no examples of how it has done anything wrong or how it supports Affirmative action negatively.
hey next time why don’t you do a better job of giving us examples to back you point, if not you look like an uneducated racist piece of shit....but than again maybe you are.

>>48
So, you think affirmative action only works for black people? You seem like the kinda guy who would go to Africa and say "Look at all the minorities!" Bigot.

My mother is getting a full-paid minority scholarship at Tennessee State University.

And she sure as hell isn't black. No, 100% Caucasian. However, at TSU, she would be a minority, because the majority of the students there are of African descent.

You can't help but look at the facts. The majority of the people who are stuck in the slums in America are minorities. This is due to poor background and existing racism in this country. Affirmative Action is simply a way to work around this problem. The moment we get rid of bigots and social class profiling (no, I'm not a communist), the better.

It really has nothing to do with slavery. The NAACP might tell you that, but they're all a bunch of idiots who don't know anything. You shouldn't even associate them with the productive black community.

I have black friends and I call them "nigga" all the time. They don't mind.

I don't know why you think Affirmative Action is just repayment for slavery. There was also, you know, segregation.. and the civil rights movement.. yeah. But it's really just a way to balance for institutional racism.

Also, minorities are under-represented in the workforce and collegiate institutions but over-represented in prisons and inner cities.

This is for one of two reasons.

Either (a), minorities are inherently dumber and more criminal.

Or (b), institutional biases are set against minorities.

Affirmative Action is supposed to be a temporary fix for instiutional biases. For an institution to use an affirmative action policy, they have to set a time limit (under the Clinton administration, I believe the limit was 4 years).

Not to mention as part of the collegiate entry process, qualitative evaluation is acceptable. Colleges don't just look at statistics. For most colleges, it doesn't matter if you're black or white. What matters is your experience with racial diversity. For instance, if you're a black student in an inner-city school who received relatively poor education, had no access to expensive SAT classes, and received a 1050, surely that means more than an elite-class student with access to everything who makes a 1050 after taking lots of classes from mommy and daddy at his top-100-highschool? Affirmative Action is just a way of recognizing the adversity someone faced because they were black, Hispanic, or Asian.

This is like giving entry to the best oboe player in the state even if he made poor grades just because he'll be a good addition to the marching band. It's just a way for schools to justify bringing in people with something new to add to the table.

And the only reason affirmative action is based on race is because if the Democrats based it on class and included you poor sniveling white bastards, they'd be labeled "socialists".

Like everything else in life, Affirmative Action can either be abused or used toward the greater humanitarian good.

I'm Vietnamese, one-out-of-six children, and my parents could not afford to put me through to college. Fortunately for me, I understood this early into high school, got some good grades, and was able to hustle a grant from the government to go to Virginia Tech. Was I poor? Not in the worst sense, no. I had food on the table every night and about a 1000 turtlenecks, so there was no reason for me to complain as my father made damn sure that it could always be worse.

At school, I saw plenty of white, useless kids who took their good fortune for granted, and day-by-day they pissed their parents money away only to graduate college and go to work at daddy's company. Is there anything wrong with that? Not really, but what about the minorities out there who get denied because of financial reasons, and have bigger and more ambitious dreams to make a dent in the world? Should they get screwed? There are FAR MORE dumber, more underserving kids who go to college than you think, but that's life.

In other words, there's a flipside to everything. Know what you are talking about before you berate Affirmative Action; its helped many minorites I know.....many of which who have decided to dedicate their own professional lives in areas of civic and sociological/humanitarian professions.

Basically, most of these arguments regarding affirmative action and even retarded shit like 'I can't call black people nigger! That sucks!' can be reduced to a basic premise:

'It's not fair!'

No shit chumps, get over it. OE and others made some very good points about people having a disadvantage due to socioeconomic status (which is frequently tied to race). Getting into college when you have to work and barely scratch by is a lot harder than it has been for the majority of the people reading this, many of whom have been fostered in decadence while practicing mediocrity themselves.

As for 'nigger', I don't understand the obsession with this term, even on the boards, it's all over the place. There is nothing funny or friendly about it. Sure, some friends might use it to refer to each other, but it's just like calling your friend a motherfucker or cunt, its a highly offensive term, but you simply don't mean it. It's not OK for a black person to call a white person a nigger, I'm not sure where you got this idea. It’s not OK for ANYONE to use this term in reference to anyone else. The biggest fight in my high school career was centered around a close and rough basketball game and the other team tried to start shit afterwards. The other team's center, who was black, had been fouled out near the end and was pissed as Hell, at me especially. There were words exchanged, culminating in numerous references to me, not black, as a 'nigger'. The brawl started shortly after those words were introduced. Most of my teammate's were black, so I suppose they shouldn't care if some other black guy calls somebody 'nigger', right? Wrong, you dumb motherfuckers.

It's a disgusting term and anyone who uses it should feel dirty or have a damn good reason why not.

Asians, Middle-Easterners, Hispanics, Jews, and other minorities, despite several disadvantages inherent in immigration, are generally prosperous. A common occupation upon the Hispanic community is gardening. Asians typically lease gas stations, liquor stores, etc. The Jewish community on northern La Brea Ave. is remarkably successful. What do I see in the African-American community in southern La Brea? I do not witness thriving indie businesses. However, corporate installations of Wal Mart, Starbucks, and McDonalds are all that exist in shitty southern La Brea. Many immigrants, including my own relatives, have been able to prosper due to hard-work. My father went from renting a slummy Hollywood blvd single-room apartment room in 1978 to owning a three-level household in the mountains in 1992. Most Niggers, almost entirely due to laziness and a lack of common sense, have been failures in capitalistic America. African-Americans lack sufficient cleverness to be able to succeed in a capitalistic society. Humiliation of African-Americans lies in the fact that they are NATIVES of the Yankee Empire. African-Americans continue to piss and moan about events that have long faded away. Some of them even have the nerve to condemn Europeans for importing slaves from Western Africa. If negroes loathe the North American continent and its colonizers, then I suggest we set up a program in which ships will transport all peoples of black descent to the famine-ridden, disease-stricken, illiterate region.

Affirmative Action? Theoretically, it is spoon-feeding pieces of shit at the expense of more skillful, hard-working citizens. You cocksuckers and your hyperbolical depcition of racism need to depart from the past. It is the year 2004, not 1954. Here in California, the racism I detect comes not from whites, but from blacks and their revisionist white supporters. Like I explcitly stated before, racial/ethnic should NEVER be taken into consideration during employment and college admissions.

Most Niggers, almost entirely due to laziness and a lack of common sense, have been failures in capitalistic America. African-Americans lack sufficient cleverness to be able to succeed in a capitalistic society...

If negroes loathe the North American continent and its colonizers, then I suggest we set up a program in which ships will transport all peoples of black descent to the famine-ridden, disease-stricken, illiterate region...

Here in California, the racism I detect comes not from whites, but from blacks and their revisionist white supporters.

Affirmative action was first created by JFK and the Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity that was supposed to "take affirmative action" to ensure that hiring and employment practices are free of racial bias. At the time this was created it was needed the inability of the qualified black Americans to get into schools and jobs needed to be dealt with, Affirmative action dealt with this.

Later the use and need of affirmative action was proven to be unfair in the case California v. Bakke when the use of such inflexible quotas as the medical school had set aside was not constitutional. But instead of fixing and rewriting Affirmative action there it went on....

then the case of jobs in Affirmative action the Wygant v. Jackson Board of Education when the board of education had a policy of protecting minority employees by laying off non-minority teachers first, even though the non-minority employees had seniority. The Supreme Court ruled against the school board, maintaining that the injury suffered by non-minorities affected could not justify the benefits to minorities....

Finally someone came and changed the way Affinitive action was dealt with when President Bill Clinton in a White House memorandum called for the elimination of any program that "(a) creates a quota; (b) creates preferences for unqualified individuals; (c) creates reverse discrimination; or (d) continues even after its equal opportunity purposes have been achieved."

The injustice of Affirmative action was shown to the people and Proposition 209 was seen in California Banning all forms of Affirmative action, As well as other states such as Washington and Florida.

Lastly the Supreme Court makes a ruling in 2003 that point systems used in university admissions is wrong but race can be one of many factors considered by colleges when selecting their students because "a compelling interest in obtaining the educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body."
In all Affirmative action has created the racial bias that itself was made to stop. Diversity is good but the fact that you will be looked over just because you are non-minority is in itself Racist and should be stopped by abolishing Affirmative action!

I was always a sad kid, but when I found my mother's diary five years ago and read about how she had another secret family that she was going to leave us for, I really cracked. I left for college soon afterwards still having some symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, with nightmares still occurring nearly every night.

A few months afterwards, I had gotten to the point where I was oversleeping to avoid my problems, usually sleeping 15-20 hours a day.

I finally sought psychiatric treatment 3 1/2 years ago. They initially put me on Provigil for the over-sleeping and Lexapro for the depression, and they were both crap. Then they put me on Wellbutrin, which just made me feel jittery about 4 hours after taking it, but was still crap. Then they moved me to Effexor XR with a Cytomel (hypothyroid med) supplement; they kept increasing the dosage of the Effexor, and I am now at 375 mg/day. If I forget to take my pills, I feel like I'm getting electric shocks to the brain.

I still want to kill myself every day.

>>59

THEN WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?

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>>61
Do you, like me, wish the Nazis had won?

Theirs was a truly effective fascist government that took a nation on its knees from a depression and turned it into a military, technological and economic powerhouse within the space of thirty years.

It was a social experiment in the way that many reformed or new nations are. America was an experiment in democracy and (eventually) egalitarianism. The Soviet Union was an experiment in Communism. Nazi Germany was the grandest experiment of them all: a rejection of the gentle side of man and a wholehearted pursuit of our more teutonic side: The glorification of the strong, the self-sufficient, and the dominant. It was to be the beginning of a bolder and more uncompromising global civilization that would bring discipline where before there was only coddling; that would harden the soft, and that would not be afraid to say that equality means equal opportunities, not that all men regardless of education or skill are inherently equal to one another. It was a call out to all men to transcend their passive, mediocre existances and aspire to become the heroic and unstoppable species that mankind always had the potential to become.

Nazi Germany was the combined hopes, dreams and ambitions of all who dared to dominate; but in the end, these dreams were quashed by weak, subversive men who would rather hold their superiors back rather than attempt to catch up.

I'm so sick and tired of white people cruising down the street and pumping rap at 47,000 decibles. Why, God? Oh why have you cursed the planet with these cretinous buffoons who feel the constant need to pollute the air with their commercialized frickin' garbage??? With all of the great music that black artists have created, why is it that Whitey has chosen to latch onto the most annoying, repetitive, and phoney style of music ever set loose upon the world? Doesn't anybody listen to Otis Redding, Al Green, Etta James, Muddy Waters, or James Brown anymore?!

Look, I'm twenty years old and I understand the whole "youthful rebellion" and "teen angst" aspects of rap. Heck, I actually love a lot of the Old School stuff I've heard. But sadly, in the twenty-first century, white record executives, in conjunction with a new generation of overrated, overhyped, and overpaid rappers, have taken away ALL of the artistic integrity that rap (if it ever had any) could ever lay claim to. Hey Puffy, how can you be a hardass gangster mofo with an attitude fresh from the 'hood when you pull down eight figures a year, live in Beverly Hills, and drive a Lexus??? The answer, needless to say, is YOU CAN'T, YOU POSER!!!!!

Now, back to my original question. Why am I and many other unsuspecting motorists constantly being deluged by loud, obnoxious, and artistically void gangsta crap, blasting from the speakers of suburban white youths who couldn't possibly be LESS ghetto??? Why aren't white people proud of their OWN stuff? Do they have to hijack someone else's music (music that wasn't all that great to begin with) and overuse it 'til it's worn to the nub? Why do I NOT drive by white kids playing a piano sonata by Ludwig Van Beethoven, a tone poem by Richard Strauss, or one of the latest joints from Pyotr Ilytch Tchaikovsky? Why aren't white kids cruising down the road and bobbing their heads to Frank Sinatra, Johnnie Ray, Hank Snow, or Patsy Cline? This is great stuff and NOBODY listens to it! Well...at least nobody I've driven by.

Don't get me wrong. Music IS colorblind, and all races should be able to embrace eachothers' art unconditionally. But when people take the wrong music too seriously, we all suffer! If I could offer any sage advice to my fellow white guys, I would tell them to seek out REAL soul music, starting with the cats who invented rhythm & blues waaay back in the mid to late 1940's. Groups like the Ink-Spots, Billy Ward & the Dominoes, the Orioles, the Golden Gate Quartet, etc. Sure it's old, but sometimes those old tunes were even dirtier and more laden with innuendo than this modern "gangster" music, so it rocks anyway, you ignorant putz. OR, if group harmony doesn't suit your taste, give the Motown label a try. Everyone who recorded for them was brilliant (well, except for DeBarge. They sucked). Soul got even funkier in the 1970's when Isaac Hayes, Barry White, and Stevie Wonder put basslines with the beat.

So, what are you waiting for, Whitey? Get out there and listen to some good tunes!

Ok What the fuck. this thread was about religion, then changed to racist debate about black people...then something about someone being depressed, and now nazi's and germany? WTF?

>>63
Amen to that! I feel a similar brand of virulent rage toward idiots who feel compelled to play Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock. Industrial rock sucks with just as much ferocity as rap does. It just seems a much more common occurence (at least in the part of the country where I live) for these conformist jagoffs to blast their crummy rap music at the highest point on the volume dial. They're not always white either, but most of the folks around here who engage in this noise pollution are. Just ONCE I think it'd be cool to hear someone roll down the block cranking Beethoven's Ninth Symphony from a huge pair of woofers in his trunk. It'd be a change of pace. I'm not trying to force my musical tastes on anybody, but you've got to admit, the general problem of music having lost its soul within the last fifteen to twenty years is a growing concern.

why write this whole long quasi-intellectual rant about white people listening to rap when you say your point is simply that rap sucks.

Musical taste is subjective, there can not be a factual norm of good vs bad music. Only your own preference. And the fact that you bring up race as an issue at all just makes you a douchebag.

>>63 why write this whole long quasi-intellectual rant about white people listening to rap when you say your point is simply that rap sucks.

Musical taste is subjective, there can not be a factual norm of good vs bad music. Only your own preference. And the fact that you bring up race as an issue at all just makes you a douchebag.

>>67
>>66
Or maybe it just makes me a horrified witness to the rapid decay of American popular culture and the utter debasement of our sorry excuse for a generation.

Dude, it's like I said. I'm not saying that white people should stop loving black music. 80% of the music I listen to falls under the above category. I merely said that rap music's artistic integrity is highly debatable, at least as it stands at the current moment in time, so it bothers me when people (who are GENERALLY WHITE) blare their infernal pseudo-music at top volume. Like I said, I like a lot of Old School rap, but when you take the edge out of it and turn it into another teen commodity, you rob the music of everything it stands for. The same exact thing happened in the 1950's, but the trend in those days was cover versions, and the results were disatstrous. Great R&B and doowop tunes were covered by bland, watered down pop crooners in an effort to rob more fans and artists of their money.

It's not even that I'm blaming white people for this. Whites have created so much great music as well, it boggles my mind as to why nobody cares about it anymore. And yes, taste in music is subjective. That's why this is a rant thread and not a science paper. Not once have I stated that my convictions were factual. It's just what's on my mind and I figured the issue needed to be addressed. If you want facts, go to school. I'm too sleepy to address the banterings of any more overly sensitive 4chanfags today...

A girl of 6 years old has fallen in love with a 45 year old man. The man is a friend of the parents of the young girl and fell in love the second they were introduced. They both genuinely love each other. One night the man has dinner over the girl's parents' house. Afterwards the girl and the man go into her room and have sex.

Is it morally wrong?

>>69
I believe it is moraly wrong now. If you ask the question in several years, I doubt it. Look at this thread I made a couple days ago.

>>69
A 6 year old may love her puppy and love pudding and most definately her parents but would be unable to love on a level that is required for a realationship. I now ask, can you truly love someone who either does not or cannot return that love? I say NO, there may be an infatuation with that person but that is about as far as it can go.

Morality has nothing to do with this issue, what you suggest is not possible, therefore the question is void.

On a side note, string the fucker up by his balls and wip the flesh from the bones of the parents.

There is an absolute right and wrong. People who run around and talk about how "it's all shades of gray" are just people who are trying to rationalize their behavior. "Oh, yeah, what about if a man steals food for his starving family? Isn't that shades of gray?" No. That guy is stealing, which is wrong. The fact that his family is starving is irrelevant; the only reason people bring that up is so that you feel all guilty and are like, "well, IN THAT CASE I guess it's OK to steal." Hey, too bad your family is starving -- but since when did that make it OK to take my stuff? And why can't this dickwad feed his family in a legal fashion?