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Japanese: The Hardest Language in the World

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-17 4:56

People often debate what is the hardest language in the world to learn. Assuming your native language is English or one of the other Indo-European languages like Spanish, German, Russian, or Farsi, then an Asian language like Chinese, Japanese, or Korean is an obvious choice. In other words, the language you start off with affects which languages are easier to learn next.

If you are a native Spanish speaker, you’ll have little difficulty learning the other Romance languages (French, Italian, Portuguese, etc.). If German or English is your first language, then the other Germanic languages (Danish, Dutch, etc.) go easily, and the Slavic and Scandinavian languages aren’t too much of a stretch.

If Japanese is your native language, then it is easy, and Korean isn’t too bad. But otherwise there’s good argument for saying that Japanese is the hardest language in the world, with Chinese being a close second.

Japanese is hardest becaus, first and foremost, the writing system is catastrophically confusing and convoluted. My classical Japanese history professor said that the worst thing ever to happen to Japan in its entire history was the introduction of Chinese characters. The Japanese took them, gave each several readings (pronunciations) and sometimes as many as two dozen, then created two syllabaries (like alphabets, but larger), and over the next 1,000 years came up with all sorts of bizarre, inconsistent rules about when to use characters versus the two syllabaries, and how to combine them to write the language. After the Meiji Restoration, the Japanese decided that their writing system wasn’t complicated enough, and so added the Roman alphabet for writing certain words, and for the convenience of foreigners.

Now Chinese does use more characters than Japanese does, about five to six thousand compared to the two to three thousand in daily use in Japan. So learning to read Chinese does require learning a lot more characters. However, since each character is pronounced in only one (or sometimes two) ways, what has to be learned for each character is much simpler.

There are no rules about when and how to combine characters in Chinese with anything else, since that doesn't happen. Japanese, by contrast, has complex rules about when and where the hiragana shows up with characters. These rules are sufficiently troublesome to challenge many native speakers. Then there are personal and place names, which are given readings almost at random, often completely unrelated to the standard pronunciation for the character.

None of this is an issue in Korean, which has what is arguably the most brilliant, efficient, and effective writing system ever developed in the world. Learning to read and write Korean does take effort, but only about as much as learning the Arabic script when learning Arabic, Farsi, or Urdu, or learning Devanagari for Hindi.

Grammar in Japanese is a bit messy, with verbs doing all manner of bizarre things, adjectives behaving exactly like verbs at times, and all of this having to be changed depending on who is saying what to whom under what circumstances (what is called “respect language” in Japanese).

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-24 23:35

>>40
an English speaking-native will be fluent at the age of ~12
what?

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-25 1:44

MANGSTAB GAAAAN

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-25 10:20

Japanese grammar seems easy to me. I never tried to seriously learn it but it seems much more consistent than, say, French, whose grammar is completely pants-on-head retarded.

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-25 11:06

I'm learning Japanese, I think the grammar and the pronunciation are the easiest parts. And the writing system is the hardest part.
My first language is French.

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-26 10:16

>>44

How is it easy?  The particles alone are hard to keep straight, and who came up with using a different counting system to count things depending on what they are?  I'm sorry but that is also pants-on-head retarded.  It doesn't make things any more comrehensible, it just makes a peson memorise extra words.  Also why is it that the language records the rank of the person spoken to -- It's a waste of time. 

And for the Corea-strong fag, Korean Hangul is great for Korean, but I defy you to write German with it.  Cryillic is actually much much better because it's alphabetic and almost any sound can be rendered with either one symbol or a combination of two symbols.  If Korean Hangul can do that, I'll believe that it's not limited to writing Korean for Koreans.  Latin has the same advantage -- you can write almost any sound, whether it occured in Latin or Italian, no need to mess with the sounds of the word or anything else.

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-26 11:49

>>45
it's alphabetic
aren't all alphabets?

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-26 22:14

Some are abjads (like hebrew or arabic), some are sylabaries (like Japanese Hiragana), some are alphabetic (like Latin or Cryllic). 

But back to the point -- can you write the words of another language in Korean Hangul or Japanese Hiragana?  Because I can write just about anything in Cryllic or Latin letters with no difficulty. 

I'd actually have the same critisim of Abjads -- Try to write Japanese in Arabic script.  It's not going to work well.

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-28 17:12

>>47
Try writing a driver in Python.

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-28 19:38

>>45
>The particles alone are hard to keep straight
Particles are not really difficult, in fact I like them.
>I'm sorry but that is also pants-on-head retarded.  It doesn't make things any more comrehensible, it just makes a peson memorise extra words.
It's not that hard to memorise, you just have to put some time in it. Oh, and a natural language doesn't evolve just to be more comprehensive. It sucks but it's like that.
>Also why is it that the language records the rank of the person spoken to
I'm not sure to see what you're talking about. You're talking about honorifics? Or the politeness levels? In that case, that part is very easy, it comes all naturally.

But I won't try to convince you it is easy. If you find it hard I can't do nothing about it.
Also maybe do I find that grammar easy because my first language is French.

Name: Anonymous 2011-04-29 6:09

>>49
>Also maybe do I find that grammar easy because my first language is French.
Probably. French grammar is a huge pile of shit that even confuses most native speakers. Its least terrible part is probably conjugation, but even that one looks needlessly complicated when compared to Japanese.

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