I was taught that after 'to make' I should always use a bare infinitive, but I accidentally have met this in a Blake's poem:
The emmet's inch and eagle's mile
Make lame Philosophy to smile.
So, I wonder how it sounds for natives. Old-fashioned? Strange? Normal? Just incorrect? What if i use it in an ordinal conversation (I try to enrich my English), would it be OK?
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Anonymous2009-07-29 21:13
Poetry is a poor place to get your English lessons from because of the "artistic license" poets take. It would sound strange and incorrect if you tried to use it in anything but poetry.
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Anonymous2009-07-30 5:38
>>2 is right. Poetry tends to go incorrectly in order. Usually what the verb is doing is placed between the verb and object, as shown in 'make lame Philosophy to smile.' In normal English it would likely go something like, 'To smile make Philosophy lame.'
It would make you an asshole if you said it outside of poetry. Never take your English lessons from poetry, they're all useless assholes that fuck English up because they want an orderless language. If they want a language they can play in and still make semantic sense, they need to learn Russian and get the hell out of America.
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Anonymous2009-07-30 5:44
>>3
Addendum to that post.
Make can be used archaically, as in 'Make haste' or in idioms, 'Make like a dog and lie!'
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Anonymous2009-07-30 8:35
>In normal English it would likely go something like, 'To smile make Philosophy lame.'
Sorry, I guess in normal English it would rather be '[that inch and mile] make lame Philosophy smile' i.e. 'to make' + bare inf. and 'lame' as an adjective, not a verb. My question was about 'to make' + an ordinal infinitive as in the example, i should have named the thread more clear.
>>5
Well saying that makes no semantic sense. It has no real meaning. The only way you can make sense out of it is what I said, otherwise you're heavily using context to convey meaning.
P.S. A possible meaning is 'big and small are equal for phylosophy' or 'nothing matters for phylosophy' or something like
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Anonymous2009-08-03 5:09
>>3
The second line clearly means "Make lame Philosophy smile," the 'to' is a left-over from fossilised German structures.
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Anonymous2009-08-03 6:20
The mere fact a bunch of English speakers are debating about the meaning of the line indicates that it would be a terrible idea to use it in non-artistic speech. Stick with to make and a bare infinitive if you want to be understood.
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Anonymous2009-08-03 16:19
ITT: we pretend that English has always had the same grammatical rules. Fuck, do you guys not remember any Shakespeare from Highschool?
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Anonymous2009-08-04 4:06
>>13
I wanted to bash that fucker over the head every time I read his fucked up grammar. My teacher made us fucking read that shit with no translation, and we had to interpret it. No one got an A.