About English speakers' pronunciation

A Japanese guy: "Ai emu Japaniizu man. Ai emu rukkingu foowaado tsu nowingu yuu. Letto'su speakingu!"

An ignorant prick (most likely American): "Haha! Look at that stupid Japanese speaker trying to pronounce English! Ain't it funny! LOL! brb gonna go masturbate to sum tentacle hentais and them read my mangas"

Hey English speakers! You are just like the Japanese: you can't pronounce foreign languages for shit.

Be it German, French, Finnish, Japanese, Chinese, Telugu or motherfuckin' Esperanto, English speakers simply sound awkward when they try to pronounce them (and believe me they try...). I haven't met (or more like heard) a single English speaker, trying to pronounce Japanese, who didn't try to sound like whatever stupid anime character they decided to ape (even saying that they sound like anime characters is an exaggeration; more like anime characters with downs).

Americans are the worst offenders, although the British and other anglophones are not doing a good job either.

Seriously guys, the world is becoming less and less anglophonic. Already westerners are scrambling to learn the languages of tomorrow: Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Arabic, Russian. But no one will take you seriously with your muddled pronunciation, just like you can't take the Japanese seriously and mock them while you dream of fucking their women.

You can't pronounce ü, you can't roll your r's, your l's are weird, your k's and t's are always aspirated, your vowels are nothing but diphtongs which make you sound no better than the Japanese who can't pronounce consonants without attaching vowels to them: you always try to cram the diphtongs everywhere. You're incapable of pronouncing pure vowels, and believe me, it shows. Even the purest e's, a's, o's and u's you can produce have a certain unnatural tang to them.

Look in the mirror the next time you make fun of the Japanese and their pronunciation. Or better yet; record your voice, play it back, and weep.

What's the point of this thread? Everyone already knows it.

>>1
your vowels are nothing but diphtongs which make you sound no better than the Japanese who can't pronounce consonants without attaching vowels to them: you always try to cram the diphtongs everywhere.
So true.

>>1
honestly I've only seen that in Americans (no offense, I'm sure you are not all like that)
once i heard an American on a plane trying to order in French. I wanted to throttle him. MERCY BOU-KU
Also when they try and pronounce Croatian words. How do you turn "dobor dan" into "doober dang". Though to be fair heaps of Croatian words lack vowels.

Blame the English orthography. They've got their brains fixed on that retarded unintuitive way of writing things down, that they can't snap out of it.

>>1
It's true Americans can't pronounce foreign languages very well. Americans also tend to think you can learn a foreign language in a  matter of months or even weeks. They surely are very naive in that regard.

However, because Japanese has so few syllables and is pronounced very regular as opposed to English, it's alot harder for a Japanese person to pronounce English than it is for an American to pronounce Japanese. Surely English has at least twice as many sounds as Japanese.

I can pronounce Japanese quite well, because German, which is my native language, shares alot of sounds with Japanese and it's generally easier for a German person to pronounce Japanese than it is for an American from my experience.

can anyone pronounce õ?
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>languages of tomorrow

ilol'd. there is only one "language of tommorow". guess what? guess why? it is simple, it is nice and it is spoken by the most powerful and significant nations. others learn it, not vice versa. i guess it shall last for some centures

>>8
You need to look into the number of foreign language learners atm. Chinese is dominating.
English isn't the language of tomorrow, it's the language of today. Most of Europe speaks it, and obviously all Anglophone countries. Chinese is what'll become the next lingua franca in 50 years or so.

>>9
Average knowledge of "Chinese" in Western world is limited to generic knowledge of Japanese kanji and is in fact just Japanese language itself. I see no way this could become any popular apart from weeaboo faggotry (which is Japanese nowadays).
Perhaps Chinese could become a lingua franca in East and Southeast Asia since there is a considerable amount of actual Chinese speakers.

>>1
No. American's speaking Japanese is not even 100th as bad as Japanese attempting to speak English even though they've all studied it for 10 years.

The fact is, Japanese can't pronounce jack shit because their language is fundamentally flawed in that they have very few sounds to express themselves.

I'm going to a Japanese school in Japan, and am surrounded by other people speaking Japanese.

1.Koreans are with out doubt the best in Japanese. This has to do with the fact that the language is so similar. These guys can be easily mistaken as Japanese.
2.Taiwanese are a little mixed. There's insanely good ones like the koreans, but then there's ones where it's just terrible.
3.American/Russian - I feel both sound the same when attempting to speak Japanese. They're right in the middle in pronunciation, but it's hard for white people to sound Asian.
4.German are a worse off than Americans, but not that bad.
5.Italians are just fucking horrible, 95% of them sound stupid
6.India/random ass country - These guys are so terrible that it's really sad. Just imagine the guy at the kwik-e-mart with that same accent trying to sound Japanese. It just doesn't work, and people often don't know what the fuck they're saying.

My ratings aren't just based off one or two people I knew, it's probably more around 20+ of each race. Americans are definitely not bad, in fact, Japanese understand American's pronunciation (assuming they know Japanese) better than they understand Japanese pronouncing Japanese because American's speak a lot clearer, where Japanese tend to often not use their mouth/tongue as much

>>11
in your dreams, yank.

ausfag here.

cant believe no one mentioned us... we're atrocious at foreign languages due to our 'lazy' accent. we don't pronounce words as clearly as americans do (but we spell it correctly --- Queen's English ftw), so any attempts to learn another language is just craptastic.

>>11
point 5 is strange, aren't Japanese sounds a subset of Italian ones, with vowels being exactly the same?

>>11
5.Italians are just fucking horrible, 95% of them sound stupid

Are you serious or just trolling? Italian pronunciation is much closer to Japanese than German, English, Korean or Chinese pronunciations.

Also, listening to this guy speak Japanese just makes me cringe (he's - surprise surprise! - American):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCO_9EL02k0

>>11
>Amerifag who can't even spell properly

>14
>15
This. If you are a Italian/Spanish speaker, then you won't have any problem with Japanese pronunciation, everythin is pretty much the same

The sounds may be similar, but the Italians when speaking sound so white it's ridiculous. Just because you can make the Japanese R sound and shit doesn't mean you don't sound white as fuck. Fact is, Italians sound like they're speaking Italian when speaking Japanese. Plus all of them are terrible with intonation

Also, I realize most of you are newbs who know roughly 3-5 kanji but when you get more advanced, almost every race can properly pronounce all sounds with ease, including americans. The key after that, which is far harder, is to sound Asian. OMFG WEEABOO?!? Not exactly, sounding Asian is key to sounding natural when speaking Japanese. Obviously Asians have an advantage over you. Although, Chinese suck ass at Japanese because they speak too much in front of their mouth.
How you use your tongue for even the same consonant differs. How you move your mouth, the location where you speak in your mouth (back of throat, front, nasal, etc), whether the air comes in or out when speaking. Yes, just because you can make the K sound doesn't mean it's perfect, dickwads. It's a lot more complicated than you think.

I speak perfect Japanese and it was pretty easy to master after all, I'm not American though.

The pleasure of being cummed inside!

I lol at how people jerk off to cartoon porn. Funny thing is, I speak English better than most Americans, and I mean Generation Jones, X and Y. Baby boomers seem to have listen in English class.  I'm a part of Y myself. It's amazing how many Brits and Americans can't spell their own language. Look at any imageboard, you'll have a good diversity of class and race, and you'll see how worthless thw youth is at their own language. English is my third language, and I can speak with an American accent and a Jeeves-like English accent.

tl;dr: Native English speakers oughta learn their own language before attempting something as complicated as Japanese because of their ridiculos addiction to animu and cartoon porn. Fuck you. Fuck you and your imaginary cartoon waifu.

>>22
We have to give Americans some credit. I believe it's very hard to grow up in America without turning into a total idiot. They don't have such a thing as fair and unbiased media. They don't even know what that is. Their country is driven by lobbyists who deliberately keep the people ignorant and misinformed. For us Europeans it just seems like a horrible, horrible place.

>>22
I speak English better than most Americans

Baby boomers seem to have listen in English class.

Okay...

>>24
You'll have to excuse certain typos. I'm on my iPod, and I've turned off spellcheck because it was annoying as fuck. I also see now that my post makes me look like an asshole, but whatever, it's all true. I'd edit my post to correct that, but I cannot. Lol.

I didn't try to be offensive by the way, it just ended up like that. But you americunts do have a disgraceful school system. Only the rich seem to be getting decent education, and they don't give a fuck because they're set for life. Is it, at least in SOME states, mandatory to learn a second language? inb4 we don't need it coz we rules da earth, you do need to learn another language so that you don't seem like an ignorant asshole. I mean, come on, 69% of Californians are Jesuses and Ramirezes. You could at least teach kids Spanish, just for the hell of it, even thoguh the immigrants should learn the lamguage of their host country.

Again, sorry for any typos, I'm on my iPod, and proof-reading and correcting my mistakes is a bitch when it scrolls me somewhere I don't want to go.

>>24
It's actually pretty common for stupid people like >>22 to basically make up their own little fantasy languages and regard everyone (including native speakers, of course) who doesn't speak the same way they do as using incorrect grammar and "ridiculos" spellings. A Polish guy once called me an idiot for saying "working hard," according to him the correct way of saying it would be "working hardly" because of adjective<->adverb etc.

>>25

massive essay

Seems like I hit a nerve there... Don't take yourself so seriously, dude.

>>26
>A Polish guy once called me an idiot for saying "working hard," according to him the correct way of saying it would be "working hardly" because of adjective<->adverb etc.

u know... everyone knows polish are nothing but junkheaded scum

>>28
That's... actually quite accurate.

>>23
Well, without anti-intellectualism they could have turned into DIRTY RED COMMIES.

>>26
Well, that guy was a retard, but for example when speaking English if I pronounce Encyclopaedia correctly, illiterate native speakers assume it's my weird accent or I'm doing it wrong or whatever, so to appear "normal" I've started doing the same mistakes - albeit knowingly.

>>31
How do you pronounce "encyclopedia" correctly, then?

>>32
like пениспениспенис of course

>>31
It's spelled "encyclopedia" in English, (officially in the North American variant, and most commonly in modern British English) and the correct pronunciation is /ənˌsəɪkləˈpidiə/. If you pronounce it differently, you are doing it wrong, you're doing basically the same thing as those Americunts who pronounce English loanwords in Japanese just like they would in English.

>>34
ae =/= e no matter how many illiterate buffoons claim it to be so, but, due to approaches such as yours, I do what I have to do.

Yes, I would also pronounce Caesar as kaisar if they'd just fucking let me. CLASSICAL LATIN FUCK YEAH

You fail at teh english.

>>35
Too bad ae equals the ä sound in Latin.

>>34
But hell, it's kinda cool to show off your knowledge and pronounce "encyclopaedia" in either Roman pronunciation (en-kik-lo-pah-y-dia) or even Ancient Greek (en-kyuk-lo-pah-y-deh-yah).

Yea, the transcription is pretty awkward, but that's how Americans normally read everything.

>>34

It's spelled "encyclopedia" in English, (officially in the North American variant, and most commonly in modern British English) and the correct pronunciation is /ənˌsəɪkləˈpidiə/. If you pronounce it differently, you are doing it wrong.

I'm not sure if you know this but there are multiple ways to pronounce English, all of which are equally valid.

you're doing basically the same thing as those Americunts who pronounce English loanwords in Japanese just like they would in English.

Funny thing is, I once read the travelogues of a Japanese person who was using romaji to write Japanese because he couldn't type in Japanese characters on the Indian computer he was using. Anyhow, he spelled in English all the loanwords that would normally be in katakana. Thus, intaanetto became internet, basu became bus, haado became hard, and Derii became Delhi. It was an interesting insight into what the Japanese think about English loanwords in their language.

>>39
every language works this way with loanwords