Trying C/P...
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09/27/06(Wed)22:32:29 No.13488012
Dear /b/,
I know I really suck at Japanese.
But after getting back my test, I think my Japanese teacher sucks at math. Badly. This isn't just a few points here.
Please add the numbers for me so I know I don't suck at math. I pasted bits of paper over her sums for the second part (out of 80) and the whole grade.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)22:49:35 No.13488715
you gets 0/0
O SHI-
>> 09/27/06(Wed)22:57:48 No.13489095
File :1159415868.jpg-(58 KB, 500x506, omgkeke.jpg)
Forgive me for not offering a sacrifice with my request, /b/. Here you go. Not chopped. Taken today.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:00:37 No.13489229
51?
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:01:59 No.13489294
in b4 weeaboo
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:03:41 No.13489366
>>13489229
I got 51 too
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:03:42 No.13489369
先月
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:06:45 No.13489522
teacher probally got 51 too. There goes your last hope
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:12:24 No.13489749
>>13489522
Nope.
She got 45 for the whole thing.
I think you guys are getting 51 for the bottome, which is what I got. There's also the 14/20 at the top, which, if I'm reading it right, means 20 points are on the top bit and eighty on the bottom. so 14 + 51 = 65, which is shit, but not 45.
Add up, /b/?
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:18:58 No.13490053
why the fuck is "deshita" being used every other damn sentence?
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:28:10 No.13490439
>>13490053
Typed or written?
"Nice" reason is it's a journal and for some reason the guy's going on about what he did yesterday.
Conspiracy theory/realistic guess suggests they did it because our total knowledge of verbs is ~masu, ~masen, ~mashita, ~masendeshita, not counting ~yo and ~ka (I hate tildes, so I'm about to hemmorhage right now).
Make sense now or am I being taught shitty Japanese? Also note for some reason we're only learning the "formal style" at the moment.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:33:45 No.13490649
>>13490439
You are being taught shitty Japanese as most of those sentences make so sense without context.
I learned formal forms at first too so you're fine there.
Also, it's "Ja, mata." To my knowledge "natta" doesn't mean anything. But I'd chalk that up to mispronounciation.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:40:16 No.13490878
>>13490649 again.
The quiz in general is rather confusing anyway, except for the kanji part. I'd suggest buying a japanese text book to study on your own while you're taking this class.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:41:27 No.13490942
みんな死んだしいこっか！(ﾉ´▽｀)ﾉ ⌒(呪)
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:43:14 No.13491021
they're teaching you formal japanese because it's more polite and you won't offend people that way if you ever happen to actually use it.
"oi, ikkoka?" isn't exactly something you'd use unless you know someone real well
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:44:42 No.13491076
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you're pretty terrible at japanese, but looking at that quiz, i can't really blame you..
buy the genki books and practice on your own, that class doesn't look like it's heading in the right direction.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:47:03 No.13491161
In other news, the structure for verb conjugation is pretty easy once you can tell which verbs are class 1 or 2. And damn those irregulars to hell.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:50:35 No.13491278
your japanese writing makes mine look like shit. fuck you.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:51:05 No.13491296
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>>13490649
Ja, natta is because I'm fucktarded. I believe I was justly penalized.
>>13490878
Oooooh yes. The professor wrote the textbook, which is itself confusing, and habitually refuses to translate things in class because "it's not the same in English". Today's example? "ii, desuka".
>>13490942
<< (haven't got Japanese input on this box yet since I don't use it often)
>>13491021
As I thought. Selbst wie Deutsch, wie man siezen, ja? Mehr oder weniger, vielleicht.
Good to know in any case.
Thanks for the help, /b/!
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:54:44 No.13491424
>>13491296
Wow. Your proffesor must be an idiot. Of course it's not exactly the same in English for everything. But if he refuses to translate jitensha as bicycle then I'd go punch them in the face.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:55:43 No.13491453
>>13491161
No idea what class one and two are yet. This is week four, so I think that's probably OK. Also, probably has nothing on German, which I've had more than a litle practice with.
>>13491278
That's probably the most flattering thing anyone's ever said to me. I don't get may compliments.
Probably have to blame it on a decent pen, though. Hero 329 - That's the Shanghai Hero Pen company, hooded ballpoint, asian fine. Don't know how I'd write half decently without it.
http://www.hisnibs.com or eBay, since the HisNibs guy has trouble keeping them in stock. $10-15 pen, $5-8 ink will keep you two or three months. Also highly durable.
>>13491076
This I will investigate.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:55:47 No.13491456
i got this advice from my jp. prof "if you want to turn an informal sentence into a formal one you can add "n desu" at the end of the sentence.
eg: "wakaranain desu".
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:58:35 No.13491572
お前あほや?(´▽｀)
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:59:35 No.13491619
>>13491456
I'm not so sure about this. I thought adding "n" or "no" to the end meant that it was less formal.
Like (if you make it a question), "so you don't get it?"
>>13491453
That explains it. Although I'd hope you'd learn in the next week or so because learning that along with learning verbs in general is pretty damn important.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:00:24 No.13491662
>>13491456
I was always under the impression that adding "n desu" was a mode of explaining things.
"basu ga konakatta n desu"
or
"as it happens, the bus didn't come" (which explains why I'm so late for class)
That's what my textbook says anyway, and we use Genki, so it's pretyt darn reliable.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:01:19 No.13491699
>>13491662
fuck, didn't mean to sage.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:02:12 No.13491736
>>13491662
and ARGH typos.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:02:39 No.13491751
>>13491662
Figures. I hadn't read the chapters where that was taught when my class started and now I'm too lazy to find and look it up.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:03:37 No.13491797
Please work on your writing
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:03:46 No.13491806
>>13491751
Chapter 12
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:04:24 No.13491830
>>13491751
Argh. That sounds so dumb.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:05:46 No.13491872
>>13491806
I'm not using Genki, I'm using Yookoso. I hate how each chapter is like 50 pages long.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:07:22 No.13491922
>>13491662
i use another book(Minna no Nihongo by 3-A, old as hell, but reliable, IMO), altho that thing of adding "n desu" was something that my prof. told the class.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:09:43 No.13492012
>>13491872
ah, okay. How does Yookoso deal with the learning part? Is it fun, or is it mostly grammar and boring as hell?
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:09:54 No.13492018
>>13491662
Yes that is correct.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:11:58 No.13492115
>>13491797
I will, I'm not at all happy with it.
I am the OP. My keyboard is loud and probably bothering my roomie. I also need to sleep. Someone please save and mail whatever this thread ends as to
imabum@pookmail.com. Anyone can check it there in the morning; it'll stay there for 24 hours.
The advice so far has been great and I thank you, /b/.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:12:13 No.13492124
>>13491922
Ooh, I've used minna no nihongo as well. There are probably many ways to use "n desu" but it looks like the OP is a beginner rather than an advanced student so we're probably confusing him with all this talk of "n desu"
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:12:40 No.13492138
>>13492012
It's a balance between grammar and vocabulary activities. Not as good as Japanese for Busy People, which I used before this class, but still okay. The professor and the students are what really make class so great. The textbook, not as much.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:12:58 No.13492145
なかま１ Is my book. Hasn't steered me wrong yet (so far as I know).
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:14:41 No.13492204
>>13492124
You pretty much have me pegged. I was at zero point a month ago.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:15:20 No.13492231
>>13492138
Japanese For Busy People and Genki are still my favorites by far. Minna no nihongo was good, but really in depth. I haven't used yokooso.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:16:29 No.13492257
>>13492115
We could move the discussion to the text boards where it will likely stay up for a while.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:17:05 No.13492281
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>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:17:17 No.13492287
>>13492257
I have never ventured into those forbidden lands, but if it can be done, show me.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:17:30 No.13492293
>>13492231
My first year in university we used this thing called "Yookoso!" that...well, I didn't learn shit. Then when I took Japanese at another university, we used Genki...Genki is superior.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:18:44 No.13492337
>>13492257
We have text boards?
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:18:44 No.13492338
>>13492231
Yeah, Japanese for Busy People was great. I remember drawing funny stuff in the workbook. Mostly adding things to Biji-san. The chapter titles were so weird sometimes. "Delicious Cakes".
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:19:31 No.13492369
>>13492337
I'd heard of them, but thought they were a myth.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:20:12 No.13492392
>>13492338
"OISHII KEEKI"
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:21:37 No.13492448
>>13492392
Indeed.
And yes, contrary to popular belief, there are text boards.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:21:37 No.13492449
>>13492392
I've heard that line so many times I want to bomb all of Japan.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:23:34 No.13492525
>>13491456
Your professor is full of shit. It makes it more personal. You should never choose to say わからないんです instead of わかりません, as わからないんです is, for one thing, an lazy わからないのです, and second of all, adding the ん/の adds a certain degree of emotion to it. I can't find an English source that talks about this on the net, though, so sorry...you'll have to kick your prof's ass my word for it.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:25:20 No.13492604
OP, do you go to school in CA? Because all CA schools teach Japanese for shit.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:25:48 No.13492625
May I direct you to
http://dis.4chan.org/lang/
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:27:06 No.13492677
>>13492604
Despite the plate being three blocks from my dorm, no. Rhode Island.
Thankfully I am taking the class pass/fail. Otherwise, I'd be fucked. Especially since it's part of a two-course track that you can't get credit for half of.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:29:11 No.13492766
>>13492604
Unless you're in a proper Japanese language school, but they're run by strict standards in Kyoto.
And my college is in CA but they teach it pretty well here...
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:29:44 No.13492797
>>Someone please save and mail whatever this thread ends as to
imabum@pookmail.com
OH EXPLOITABLE
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:32:35 No.13492907
>>13492797
No, public email/throwaway address. No address is secure (no passwords) and all mail is auto-deleted after 24 hours.
Also, we are on the text boards now. Sort of.
http://dis.4chan.org/read/lang/1159416067/1-40
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:34:15 No.13492979
They teach Japanese in Texas here, half these farm boys can't even speak properly to begin with, you have to hear them trying to slur out Japanese
I'll stick to my loose understanding of SpanishFile :1159414349.png-(553 KB, 800x1042, jatest01.png)
09/27/06(Wed)22:32:29 No.13488012
Dear /b/,
I know I really suck at Japanese.
But after getting back my test, I think my Japanese teacher sucks at math. Badly. This isn't just a few points here.
Please add the numbers for me so I know I don't suck at math. I pasted bits of paper over her sums for the second part (out of 80) and the whole grade.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)22:49:35 No.13488715
you gets 0/0
O SHI-
>> 09/27/06(Wed)22:57:48 No.13489095
File :1159415868.jpg-(58 KB, 500x506, omgkeke.jpg)
Forgive me for not offering a sacrifice with my request, /b/. Here you go. Not chopped. Taken today.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:00:37 No.13489229
51?
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:01:59 No.13489294
in b4 weeaboo
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:03:41 No.13489366
>>13489229
I got 51 too
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:03:42 No.13489369
先月
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:06:45 No.13489522
teacher probally got 51 too. There goes your last hope
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:12:24 No.13489749
>>13489522
Nope.
She got 45 for the whole thing.
I think you guys are getting 51 for the bottome, which is what I got. There's also the 14/20 at the top, which, if I'm reading it right, means 20 points are on the top bit and eighty on the bottom. so 14 + 51 = 65, which is shit, but not 45.
Add up, /b/?
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:18:58 No.13490053
why the fuck is "deshita" being used every other damn sentence?
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:28:10 No.13490439
>>13490053
Typed or written?
"Nice" reason is it's a journal and for some reason the guy's going on about what he did yesterday.
Conspiracy theory/realistic guess suggests they did it because our total knowledge of verbs is ~masu, ~masen, ~mashita, ~masendeshita, not counting ~yo and ~ka (I hate tildes, so I'm about to hemmorhage right now).
Make sense now or am I being taught shitty Japanese? Also note for some reason we're only learning the "formal style" at the moment.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:33:45 No.13490649
>>13490439
You are being taught shitty Japanese as most of those sentences make so sense without context.
I learned formal forms at first too so you're fine there.
Also, it's "Ja, mata." To my knowledge "natta" doesn't mean anything. But I'd chalk that up to mispronounciation.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:40:16 No.13490878
>>13490649 again.
The quiz in general is rather confusing anyway, except for the kanji part. I'd suggest buying a japanese text book to study on your own while you're taking this class.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:41:27 No.13490942
みんな死んだしいこっか！(ﾉ´▽｀)ﾉ ⌒(呪)
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:43:14 No.13491021
they're teaching you formal japanese because it's more polite and you won't offend people that way if you ever happen to actually use it.
"oi, ikkoka?" isn't exactly something you'd use unless you know someone real well
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:44:42 No.13491076
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you're pretty terrible at japanese, but looking at that quiz, i can't really blame you..
buy the genki books and practice on your own, that class doesn't look like it's heading in the right direction.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:47:03 No.13491161
In other news, the structure for verb conjugation is pretty easy once you can tell which verbs are class 1 or 2. And damn those irregulars to hell.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:50:35 No.13491278
your japanese writing makes mine look like shit. fuck you.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:51:05 No.13491296
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>>13490649
Ja, natta is because I'm fucktarded. I believe I was justly penalized.
>>13490878
Oooooh yes. The professor wrote the textbook, which is itself confusing, and habitually refuses to translate things in class because "it's not the same in English". Today's example? "ii, desuka".
>>13490942
<< (haven't got Japanese input on this box yet since I don't use it often)
>>13491021
As I thought. Selbst wie Deutsch, wie man siezen, ja? Mehr oder weniger, vielleicht.
Good to know in any case.
Thanks for the help, /b/!
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:54:44 No.13491424
>>13491296
Wow. Your proffesor must be an idiot. Of course it's not exactly the same in English for everything. But if he refuses to translate jitensha as bicycle then I'd go punch them in the face.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:55:43 No.13491453
>>13491161
No idea what class one and two are yet. This is week four, so I think that's probably OK. Also, probably has nothing on German, which I've had more than a litle practice with.
>>13491278
That's probably the most flattering thing anyone's ever said to me. I don't get may compliments.
Probably have to blame it on a decent pen, though. Hero 329 - That's the Shanghai Hero Pen company, hooded ballpoint, asian fine. Don't know how I'd write half decently without it.
http://www.hisnibs.com or eBay, since the HisNibs guy has trouble keeping them in stock. $10-15 pen, $5-8 ink will keep you two or three months. Also highly durable.
>>13491076
This I will investigate.
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:55:47 No.13491456
i got this advice from my jp. prof "if you want to turn an informal sentence into a formal one you can add "n desu" at the end of the sentence.
eg: "wakaranain desu".
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:58:35 No.13491572
お前あほや?(´▽｀)
>> 09/27/06(Wed)23:59:35 No.13491619
>>13491456
I'm not so sure about this. I thought adding "n" or "no" to the end meant that it was less formal.
Like (if you make it a question), "so you don't get it?"
>>13491453
That explains it. Although I'd hope you'd learn in the next week or so because learning that along with learning verbs in general is pretty damn important.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:00:24 No.13491662
>>13491456
I was always under the impression that adding "n desu" was a mode of explaining things.
"basu ga konakatta n desu"
or
"as it happens, the bus didn't come" (which explains why I'm so late for class)
That's what my textbook says anyway, and we use Genki, so it's pretyt darn reliable.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:01:19 No.13491699
>>13491662
fuck, didn't mean to sage.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:02:12 No.13491736
>>13491662
and ARGH typos.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:02:39 No.13491751
>>13491662
Figures. I hadn't read the chapters where that was taught when my class started and now I'm too lazy to find and look it up.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:03:37 No.13491797
Please work on your writing
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:03:46 No.13491806
>>13491751
Chapter 12
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:04:24 No.13491830
>>13491751
Argh. That sounds so dumb.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:05:46 No.13491872
>>13491806
I'm not using Genki, I'm using Yookoso. I hate how each chapter is like 50 pages long.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:07:22 No.13491922
>>13491662
i use another book(Minna no Nihongo by 3-A, old as hell, but reliable, IMO), altho that thing of adding "n desu" was something that my prof. told the class.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:09:43 No.13492012
>>13491872
ah, okay. How does Yookoso deal with the learning part? Is it fun, or is it mostly grammar and boring as hell?
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:09:54 No.13492018
>>13491662
Yes that is correct.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:11:58 No.13492115
>>13491797
I will, I'm not at all happy with it.
I am the OP. My keyboard is loud and probably bothering my roomie. I also need to sleep. Someone please save and mail whatever this thread ends as to
imabum@pookmail.com. Anyone can check it there in the morning; it'll stay there for 24 hours.
The advice so far has been great and I thank you, /b/.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:12:13 No.13492124
>>13491922
Ooh, I've used minna no nihongo as well. There are probably many ways to use "n desu" but it looks like the OP is a beginner rather than an advanced student so we're probably confusing him with all this talk of "n desu"
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:12:40 No.13492138
>>13492012
It's a balance between grammar and vocabulary activities. Not as good as Japanese for Busy People, which I used before this class, but still okay. The professor and the students are what really make class so great. The textbook, not as much.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:12:58 No.13492145
なかま１ Is my book. Hasn't steered me wrong yet (so far as I know).
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:14:41 No.13492204
>>13492124
You pretty much have me pegged. I was at zero point a month ago.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:15:20 No.13492231
>>13492138
Japanese For Busy People and Genki are still my favorites by far. Minna no nihongo was good, but really in depth. I haven't used yokooso.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:16:29 No.13492257
>>13492115
We could move the discussion to the text boards where it will likely stay up for a while.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:17:05 No.13492281
File :1159420625.gif-(10 KB, 146x133, weaboo.gif)
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:17:17 No.13492287
>>13492257
I have never ventured into those forbidden lands, but if it can be done, show me.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:17:30 No.13492293
>>13492231
My first year in university we used this thing called "Yookoso!" that...well, I didn't learn shit. Then when I took Japanese at another university, we used Genki...Genki is superior.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:18:44 No.13492337
>>13492257
We have text boards?
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:18:44 No.13492338
>>13492231
Yeah, Japanese for Busy People was great. I remember drawing funny stuff in the workbook. Mostly adding things to Biji-san. The chapter titles were so weird sometimes. "Delicious Cakes".
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:19:31 No.13492369
>>13492337
I'd heard of them, but thought they were a myth.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:20:12 No.13492392
>>13492338
"OISHII KEEKI"
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:21:37 No.13492448
>>13492392
Indeed.
And yes, contrary to popular belief, there are text boards.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:21:37 No.13492449
>>13492392
I've heard that line so many times I want to bomb all of Japan.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:23:34 No.13492525
>>13491456
Your professor is full of shit. It makes it more personal. You should never choose to say わからないんです instead of わかりません, as わからないんです is, for one thing, an lazy わからないのです, and second of all, adding the ん/の adds a certain degree of emotion to it. I can't find an English source that talks about this on the net, though, so sorry...you'll have to kick your prof's ass my word for it.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:25:20 No.13492604
OP, do you go to school in CA? Because all CA schools teach Japanese for shit.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:25:48 No.13492625
May I direct you to
http://dis.4chan.org/lang/
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:27:06 No.13492677
>>13492604
Despite the plate being three blocks from my dorm, no. Rhode Island.
Thankfully I am taking the class pass/fail. Otherwise, I'd be fucked. Especially since it's part of a two-course track that you can't get credit for half of.
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:29:11 No.13492766
>>13492604
Unless you're in a proper Japanese language school, but they're run by strict standards in Kyoto.
And my college is in CA but they teach it pretty well here...
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:29:44 No.13492797
>>Someone please save and mail whatever this thread ends as to
imabum@pookmail.com
OH EXPLOITABLE
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:32:35 No.13492907
>>13492797
No, public email/throwaway address. No address is secure (no passwords) and all mail is auto-deleted after 24 hours.
Also, we are on the text boards now. Sort of.
http://dis.4chan.org/read/lang/1159416067/1-40
>> 09/28/06(Thu)00:34:15 No.13492979
They teach Japanese in Texas here, half these farm boys can't even speak properly to begin with, you have to hear them trying to slur out Japanese
I'll stick to my loose understanding of Spanish