This Board requires the voice of Linux to be heard.Considering all the Windows talk I've decide to create this thread hoping those among us who use or want to use Linux can gather and discuss all things Linux. Make this thread EPIC!!!
>>1 is a fucktard
linux is better than windows, okay; nothing else to be said.
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Anonymous2007-07-11 21:21 ID:PDLlEvGe
OP: Obviously Linux is far better than Windows, but I didn't want to sound like an asshole.
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Anonymous2007-07-12 8:55 ID:Za3mB0ZV
HA!! Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.
Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".
Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"
User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"
So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.
Linux doesn't have that much compatability with most programs. Yes, there's WINE and such, but it takes a shitload of work just to make the damn thing run.
Linux,while stable, does not have that much support software-wise. Though a Linux LiveCD can be a real lifesaver sometimes when Windows flips shit.
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Anonymous2007-07-12 22:42 ID:ImPcwK4h
>>12
wtf!?... linux has much more software compatibility than windows!!, it runs pretty much any posix based software, plus a lot of unix software, windows software, DOS, .net, java and whatnot. Windows can run... windows software and that's about it (without adding non-microsoft stuff like cygwin).
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Anonymous2007-07-12 23:01 ID:RPSosCtg
There's a difference between runs and runs well.
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Anonymous2007-07-13 1:37 ID:3j0dQHTK
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too much work for the average end-user to run.
Windows can run DOS software.(at least up until NT/XP/Vista)
Also, how much software ISN'T Windows or Mac based nowadays?
Though, Linux has greater Hardware compatibility then Windows. It's much easier.(Vista REFUSED to work with my legacy scanner. I popped in Knoppix and Knoppix accepted it. )
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Anonymous2007-07-13 1:56 ID:sud6iaN7
Though, Linux has greater Hardware compatibility then Windows. It's much easier.(Vista REFUSED to work with my legacy scanner. I popped in Knoppix and Knoppix accepted it. )
You are kidding arent you ? Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?
That sounds preposterous to me.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.
Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.
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Anonymous2007-07-13 2:06 ID:VQWzL/Y1
>>7,11
Well I am not "fucking idiot" You have no right to call me that if I told the truth. This site should have some rules about harrassments, threats, and name calling. I am still in the need of more information about why Linux is any good.
You obviously do not know how an operating system works and thus do not know how Linux runs, because I'm nice and wish rid the world of ignorance I will give you a very high-level and brief overview of how modern operating systems work.
1. An operating system is nothing more than an abstract layer that allows programs to utilize the computers hardware components.
2. After your computer boots, the main core of the operating system (called the kernel) is loaded (usually through a bootloader) into memory once loaded into memory the kernel loads up the various other programs besides the kernel, which allow for things such as user interaction.
3. The kernel that gets loaded depends on what operating system you choose to run. In Windows the NT-kernel (or whatever its being called) is loaded, and under Linux, the Linux kernel is loaded in fact the only thing that the name Linux refers to is the kernel, all the other programs are developed separately.
1. It's Free. Not every distribution is free, but the core of what Linux is (the kernel) is free. Free also means that you are free to look at the source and modify it without worrying too much about legal stuff.
2. UNIX-like permissions. Very simple and always work. (creating a great deal of headaches, but hey your data's safe even from you then!)
2. No Defragging Necessary
3. SSH being totally integrated allowing for secure remote sessions. (so in my opinion basically every operating system that has fully functional SSH is already doing really well (Windows doesn't count cause there's no X-Forwarding and that's nice)
4. Scalability. Linux runs on anything, period. From wristwatches to huge production level clusters, Linux works.
5. Security. Hundreds of individuals work to secure and provide means to secure Linux, creating tools and programs that preform tasks such as creating encrypted paratitions (of any filesystem) and new ways of securing a system. (and about 90% of them are free)
6. Linux is designed evolve with a user's current needs. From use as a production level workstation to use as a desktop computer Linux is there to meet the challenge.
7. Linux is always evolving.
8. If you don't like something you can fix it.
9. Tux. 'Nuff said.
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Anonymous2007-07-14 3:33 ID:4NFnG13x
Needs WINE to run Windows programs because well, programs on Linux blows.
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Anonymous2007-07-14 3:45 ID:LfoUkNOd
>>17
Also:
10. You don't HAVE to use a graphics card if you don't want to. Great for servers.
11. Drive letters suck
12. Networking kicks ass.
13. No WGA to ever worry about
14. You can do some crazy shit with drive mount points that would never work in Windows
15. It's a lot easier to take an existing Linux installation and move it to another computer without reinstalling versus Windows. Especially if you keep a generic kernel lying around for the purpose.
16. Truly multiuser. You can even do crazy setups like have two keyboards/monitors/graphics cards on a system and have each be used by a separate user.
17. Kernel recompliation. You can totally modify how the system works and customize every detail.
18. No registry.
19. No calling home to Microsoft behind your back (although in all honesty Microsoft usually tells you first...usually...)
20. No planned obsolescence. There are innumerable Linux versions and support just for older hardware.
ITT TROLLS POSTING COPYPASTA TO PISS OF LINUXFAGS.
THAT'S WHY MOST LINUX USERS ARE FAGS.
BECAUSE THEY DEBATE WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT LINUX VS WINDOWS.
WE KNOW WHO WINS STOP FUCKING DEBATING OVER IT YOU RETARDED PIECES OF SHIT.
SA-GE-RU
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Anonymous2007-07-17 5:41 ID:2hAJGjwF
This thread is so confusing. I don't even know what's real and what's copypasta anymore.
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Anonymous2007-07-18 10:31 ID:r5vmhdd+
>>5
Is completely true, even if it is copypasta. Your OS sucks, if it was any good we'd be using it, since its free, easy to get hold of and setup.
>>37
I'm pretty sure you're the one who's in denial about the hundreds of hours you put in figuring out how to fix arbitrary problems with complex solutions, and installing/configuring programs in dependency hell.
I'd rather people spent a couple hours learning how not to be a total dipshit in Windows than throw away countless hours trying to do anything remotely complex in Linux.