Why must Firefox and Opera fight?

Why must we fight?
Can't we at least just put it off until we distroy Internet Explorer?
Come on! Lets team up and distroy the true evil, instead of bickering all the time about which one is better...

Everyone desires to have "the best" which is why the war exists.

>>2
Particularly when there's money to be made by unseating a free browser.

>>3
I don't think users care about that.

Yea, well, while we are bickering about which one is better, there are innocent(and not so innocent) people out there that have to deal with the security holes of internet explorer.
The only reason we fight is because we think that our browser is better, yes? Well, I'm sure both of us can agree that both of the browsers are alot better then IE, so why don't we just take down that low-life, and then once thats done, then we can bicker about which one is better.

>>3
Unseating a free browser with another free browser? Oh noes!

why don't we just take down that low-life

Here's the problem: what can we do? Most people don't want to learn in depth about a fancy calculator with some RAM. They use what came with Windows, and that's it.

The only way to get rid of IE is to get rid of Windows as a default install, but which non-geek wants that?

Opera is better than Firefox's open source shitware

LOL @ 12 year old H4XXORZ thinking they're cool saying "M$ $ucks"!

IE has security flaws, but so does any system or browser.
IE is a fantastic browser with a simple, no-nonsense interface which is light, easy to load, and well integrated with Windows. There's nothing wrong with it except the lack of tabbed browsing, but that will be solved soon. I can live without little eye-candy features anyway.

All I wanna do is browse, and IE does that just fine. Sage this shit thread.

Firefox has better plugins than Opera.  Unfortunately, most of those are to make it behave like Opera does without any plugins.

The real ultimate winner is going to be Opera, I'm afraid.  With Google behind it, IE and the Mozilla Foundation are both in for a tough fight.

Google is behind Mozilla too, you know? Not that I disagree; Opera, with all that functionality (even has an email and IRC client), is significantly smaller than bare-bones Firefox.

I'm actually quite pissed off about the entire FF affair. Everyone remembers why they started FF right? Because Mozilla was too big. Yes, FF was supposed to be a light replacement! Right on, I though!

FUCKING HAHA! GOT YOU! The only thing tinier is the install. FF is an overengineered monster. They threw everything in there, even the kitchen sink. And what exactly do they have to show? KISS? Sure...

FF could have been so much more than it is. I want to hit whoever allowed the feature scope to explode like that. >:(

but doesn't opera have ads built into it?

>>12
Since November that Opera doesn't have any ads.

And before that everyone used serialz.

Let's be honest here, "it's not free" doesn't stop anyone.

>>1
We don't fight. I like both, and support both in my sites. In fact, I support all decent browsers. This means I don't support MSIE6 or MSIE7.

>>7
The only way to get rid of IE is to get rid of Windows as a default install, but which non-geek wants that?
I'm a Windows user and developer, and don't use MSIE even high on drugs. I'd get rid of anything preinstalled as I think one knows better, but I don't think replacing Windoze with Lunix is the best solution for this problem. Just boycotting MSIE from web sites so users go like "Why can't I shot web sight", until they see the "Press butan, receev web" link.

>>9
LOL @ stupid end user who think tabbed browser is Firefox' advantage over MSIE, and hasn't yet discovered web standards support, rendering quality, speed, network performance, privacy features, web development features, and customization.

For the record, I don't like tabs. I haven't ever used tabs in Mozilla or Firefox. If you think tabs are what Firefox has to offer over MSIE, you know nothing.

All I wanna do is browse, and IE does that just fine.
Yeah, perhaps it works fine with msn.com, easycomputerslol.com, and fagsRus.com .

>>15
Lol @ faggot firefox cultist

>>16
lol @ faggot IE cultist

>>17
He's right though, #15 has no idea what he is talking about.

>>15
I'm a Windows user and developer

Yeah, in case you missed it, you're what we call a "geek". I was talking about regular users.

dreamcast browser > your favorite browsers

It's just that the elitists like to hate on whatever is popular, like Firefox or Ipod. If Opera was the next big thing instead of FireFox they would be the first to scream bloody murder.

>>21
Or maybe it's because things like Firefox and the iPod are over-rated pieces of shit that exist purely on trendwhorism and are blissfully unaware that there are FAR superior products out there.

Holy, >>22 goes for the kill. Can't be much blunter than that.

Firefox is hardly shit, but it's overrated. Also, see >>11.

>>22
What's better than Firefox?

>>22
This is exactly what I am talking about. This guy would be saying the same thing about Opera if it was more popular than Firefox. Do you know why things are popular? Because they are inherently better. That's why many people don't use linux. Windows >> Linux by miles.

Because they are inherently better.

The first thing that came to mind when I read this was Dan Brown. Are you telling me Dan Brown is better than <insert any other author here>?

You, sir, are a complete tard. The world is replete with examples of inferior products being more popular.

>>25
Many of the people who are evangelical about Opera have been using it for years, since before Firefox ever existed. The truth is, it has always been ahead in terms of innovation, especially in the area of usability (MDI, mouse gestures, etc, etc), and that is why people like it so much. It has nothing to do with it being the underdog.

>>27
Pray tell me what usability features FireFox lacks that Opera has. The extensions feature is well done. What I don't like about Opera is the fact that you can't make the page bar show up only when there is more than 1 tab open like Firefox. I don't want there taking up screen space when there is only a single page open.

>>26
So tell me, what is exactly so different about the current release of Firefox compared to the first release when everyone was raving about it. Everyone was recommended to switch to firefox in every imageboard and forum I went to. There is clearly a distaste for popularity among the elite. It's probably because they aren't socially accepted in real life and hence want to isolate themselves in the virtual world as well.

So tell me, what is exactly so different about the current release of Firefox compared to the first release when everyone was raving about it.

Not much. Just so you know: I never much liked Firefox. It's big and slow, and the interface is little different than IEs (which I hate). I wasn't impressed. In fact, I was downright disillusioned.

You have to remember where Firefox came in: it was supposed to be a replacement for Mozilla. The vocal OSS bunch, like Slashdot, jumped all over it: IT'S NEW! IT'S BETTER THAN MOZ AND IE! IT'S FREE (as in speech)! IT'S GOT MOMENTUM! AWESOME!

Those of us who weren't as impressed kept our silence since Firefox was a new product. Give it some time to mature, right?

>>28
Is that a rhetorical question? You are required to install a large number of extensions to make Firefox have a substantial subset of Opera's functionality.

Plain-jane Firefox is just that. Very plain.

>>31
Spoiler: Lot's of built in functions doesn't make something better. Firefox is a WEB BROWSER. If the user wants additional functionality he/she will install the extensions he needs. Firefox is not a jack of all trades, master of none that Opera is. I don't know where you got the "large number to have a substantial subset of Opera's functionality", when I last tried out Opera, the only extra I found was the inbuilt IRC. Without that, stock for stock, Firefox is equal to Opera. With a few extensions like adblock, proxyswitch, colorzilla. etc etc Firefox blows away Opera.

Firefox is not a jack of all trades, master of none that Opera is.

Yeah, so... why is Opera smaller?

Without that, stock for stock, Firefox is equal to Opera.

Uh-huh: IRC, email, magic wand, notes, mouse gestures, links list, reload-every, RSS, fit-to-window, sessions, and even voice if you want it. These are just the things that I use and am aware of.

Of course, this ignores all the little gui nicities that Firefox doesn't have. And try using the two of them on on a slow machine to really see the speed difference. I haven't had Opera cause major swapping after leaving it up for several days either.

Opera only works on platforms that is in Opera's finanical interests to support. (Let's all hear it for FreeBSD Opera that'll still work years from now..) The 'free' has another meaning for Firefox, too. 'Free beer' software like Opera has only ever fucked people over in the long run.

>>34
Do you mean like this: http//w/...
From the horse's mouth: http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=freebsd

If you use AIX or HP-UX, I can see why you'd have a problem, but I don't see why I should hamstring myself on a platform that is supported by Opera.

And if Opera decides to ever fuck over its users? We'll just move to Firefox. What a concept.

>>28
You can make the tabs bar disappear in Opera when unnecessary by right-click->customize on the tab bar, and checking "Show only when needed".

>>33
>Yeah, so... why is Opera smaller?
Because Firefox is a better web browser than Opera. That should be obvious.

>Of course, this ignores all the little gui nicities that Firefox doesn't have.
Like having the page bar which is either on or off and not on only when there is more than 1 page open at the time, taking up valuable screen space.

>Uh-huh: IRC, email, magic wand, notes, mouse gestures, links list, reload-every, RSS, fit-to-window, sessions, and even voice if you want it. These are just the things that I use and am aware of.

Let's see. IRC - very pretentious. If people want IRC, they will have a standalone IRC client with better functionality.

RSS- Where do you live? Firefox always had it.

Magic wand: I assume this is the password thingy. Firefox also has a Master Password option.

Email: ughh... Stand alone client again.

Mousegestures: Not many people use it, and those to want to can always install the variety of extensions there are for it.

links list: you can find the links list in page info.

For a layman, he/she won't probably use any of the above. If he wants to he can just add the extensions if needed. That's what so great about firefox. I don't need junk in my browser that I will never use.

>>37
Because Firefox is a better web browser than Opera.

It's bigger because it's better? Opaque non sequitur.

Like having the page bar which is either on or off and not on only when there is more than 1 page open at the time, taking up valuable screen space.

Read the post directly above yours.

Let's see. IRC - very pretentious. [snip the rest]

And yet with all that added functionality, it's smaller. If I use Opera and don't use that functionality, it's still taking less space than Firefox with nothing.

Firefox always had it.

So why does an extension exist then? http://sage.mozdev.org/

Firefox also has a Master Password option.

No. To get similar functionality you need something like RoboForm installed into Firefox with an adapter.

Firefox promotes open source faggotry, which should be made illegal.