So lemme see if I got this right with an example.
Is the transformation scene from PSG some good sakuga?
If yes, then, good in regards to drawing or animation or both and how?
I don't really understand the concept between the two at great lengths, except the difference between a manga and an anime, but from what I think: does the drawing refer to the drawing style (Key / CLAMP / etc.) and animation to animation flow?
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Anonymous2010-12-28 17:27
>Is the transformation scene from PSG some good sakuga?
Yes. Especially when they go from Chibi to that realistic look.
Both I figure.
The Art/Drawings are good because they are detailed.
The Animation is also good as it flows well from frame to frame.
There are some anime where the art is really good, but it lacks any good movement, off the top of my head, Casshern Sins did this often.
Then there are anime where the animators go off model and don't care for detail and rather focus on the expressive flow and movement, Birdy the Mighty Decode is an example of this.
Does anyone know which animator animated which scene in Milky Holmes 12? The first half had good sakuga!
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Anonymous2010-12-30 3:26
>Then there are anime where the animators go off model and don't care for detail and rather focus on the expressive flow and movement
This happens when the animation director doesn't correct the key animation submitted by an animator to model, so to speak. This isn't exactly a bad thing, though, since it lets the personality and individualism of the animator to shine through in the final product.
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Anonymous2010-12-30 3:29
>>44
I heard it was a reference to Kanada's Genma Taisen, so it's interesting. Too bad I haven't watched the show though.
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Anonymous2010-12-30 13:17
>This isn't exactly a bad thing, though, since it lets the personality and individualism of the animator to shine through in the final product.
That's true, but I've always wondered if this method of animation is what brings out laziness in certain animators.
"I just have to roughly draw this, the Sakuga Kantoku will correct it for me any way and I'll still get my measly paycheck"
I mean, not all Key Animator's have the same artistic ability, some just can't keep drawings on model while some are just lazy and probably rush through drawings.
Like I watched a bit of that documentary into Production IG on DannyChoo.com, they said if you can't do a single sheet in under 20 minutes then you aren't fit for the workplace.
Though as you say sometimes when the kantoku lets the key animators do their own work and trusts in them, usually when they have some talented people then it can work wonders.
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Anonymous2010-12-30 13:31
>>47
Well, some directors and animation directors are complaining of doing a lot more work now because of mistakes in the key animation at times, so it's a really tricky balance to pull. But when it works, it really does work. Some directors/animation directors just have the right instinct in gathering the right mix of people to work for them. In regards to that personality thing, I'd say Yasunori Miyazawa's work in PSG 6 is an example of that in action for recent TV anime.
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Anonymous2011-01-01 3:53
Copypastaing from /a/
The results for Best Animation Sequences in an Anime Series [2010]
Note: OPs, EDs, Movies and OVAs were not assessed.
-/a/ is Full of Retards Award-
This is the award for most nominations from /a/ who will by default pick something with few frames, lots of video effects and reliance on audio. Never change /a/!
---Fly Away Now (Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, multiple episodes)
-Most Painfully Obvious Use of Rotoscoping Award-
Referencing is commonplace in anime. Backgrounds are often referenced from photographs of real world locations, effects such as explosions are often referenced from action movies and character animation is to a more jarring degree referenced or even traced from other sources. This award points out the most jarring use of animation reference of the year.
---Mirror Sequence (Working!!, ep13, 0:30 - 1:00)
-Most Stylish Effects Award-
Effects are often critical in animation to sell an action, done poorly an effect will ruin the feeling of a scene so it's critical that effects be done well. But more than just being technically impressive effects help define the feel of an animation as a whole. This award is given to effects that go beyond mere realism and instead imprint the feeling of the world on the viewer.
---Fireworks Attack (Tatami Galaxy, ep1, 8:00 - 8:30)
-Greater Than It's Parts Award-
If you pause the animation and go through frame by frame you'll find QUALITY but sometimes animators just have to animate and those 1/30 of a second frames are too time consuming to detail when you're drawing a flurry of ones. As long as the motion makes sense in the end that's all that really matters and sometimes it impacts the viewer more than clean lines ever could.
---My Pain Is Far Greater Than Yours (Naruto Shippuuden, ep167, 4:16 - 4:20)
-Best Sequence Award-
There's nothing need to be said for this, you simply need to watch it.
---Gurly Brawl (Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, ep6, 16:00 - 18:00)
>You Yoshinari Design Works
Was that the one being sold at comiket?
Yumekui Merry OP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0vWKkeN18
Yumekui Merry opening staff: Masahiro Fujii as sakkan, key animation by Hironori Tanaka, Ken Ootsuka, Hiroshi Tomioka and some others
>>60
That's actually pretty awesome. Norio Matsumoto and Hisashi Mori's shots are the stand-outs, as expected. That guy Naotoshi Shida also does good work; I like the way he draws his FX.
I warn you.
Sakuga is Japan of fine and culture.
Do not touch it.
Because you are a filthy pig.
Please come here, if you want to complain about it.
外国産糞豚ども待ってるぞ
Oh wow haha.
Looks like we were "invaded" by the 2ch Sakuga thread.
I didn't think we deserved such attention. >>73
>stupid fuckin amerikans
That's not true.
I started this thread and I am from England. I have a friend from Romania who is also interested in Sakuga. I am sure many people who have posted here are also not from America. Just because we speak English doesn't mean we are all Americans.
Though what's the point in being angry its not like we are making fun of Japan - its the opposite - its because we enjoy the animations of Japan that we have this thread in the first place, so what's with all the hatred?