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Sakuga Thread #1

Name: Anonymous 2010-12-08 8:47

So here's an attempt at to get some long term Sakuga discussion going here.

Some Links:
The Sakuga Wiki [JP] - http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/
ANN - http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/

English Sakuga Blogs:
http://aninomiyako.wordpress.com/
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/

English Sakuga Twitters:
http://twitter.com/raito_kun
http://twitter.com/Duune99
http://twitter.com/kyouray
http://twitter.com/catsuka

To start things off, here's a Summer Wars MAD with Key animator's listed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpoHxWV3IG0

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 5:45

>>160

Cheers! I was actually surprised to find little about him on English-speaking websites.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 9:12

>>161
Not much has been written about him, but your post should cover it. I guess he isn't as iconic as Iso, or as prolific as Inoue.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 10:46

Anyone got a list of the recent "sakuga" Naruto episodes? I mean, after Wakabayashi's 167. I think there are three of them, at least. I remember raito-kun tweeting about them, but I forgot to watch them.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 10:51

>>159

Doesn't even mention the whole drama between him and Mitsuo Iso due to Dennou Coil.

6/10

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 10:56

>>163
I can only remember Sesshagoro's 194, and that Uniqlo special with Matsumoto, Yamashita and Matsutake.

>>164
I hope they patched things up. Maybe their disagreement explains why Iso wasn't in 2.22 or something.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 11:53

>>164

What happened?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 12:27

>>166
Takeshi Honda left Dennou Coil and completely cut his ties with the show because apparently he got fed up with Mitsuo Iso's perfectionism. Iso was never satisfied with Honda's work.

I guess Honda and Iso never saw eye-to-eye when it comes to the direction of the show.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 14:59

No mention of Gainax's Houkago no Pleiades yet?

http://www.youtube.com/user/sbrxgx

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 16:05

>>168

Hironori Tanaka wasn't credited for animation, even if all the effects looked exactly like how you would expect his style to look. Is this the beginning of the Tanaka-school of animation?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 16:55

>>158
What do you plan on doing with it?

Do you want to sort it by animators? anime shows?

For example, on the Naruto page: List all the noteable episodes worth watching, which animator to look out for set in a table format?

Do you want to list anime worth watching from a Sakuga perspective?

Do you want to have a page dedicated to links to Sakuga MADs/Movies?

There's lots of things you can do really... its just getting it going that's the task.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 18:13

>>167

Yeah although I'd heard about it I hadn't come across a proper source for the information (other than the fact that Honda didn't do key animation after ep 1 iirc). So I felt it was a little speculative for a brief bio. Still it makes sense from what I've heard about Iso too.

If you've got a link to an interview or article on the subject (in Japanese is okay) then please do share.

In any case Denno Coil was hardly the most important step in Honda's career.

>>169

I was really reminded of Tanaka's style too. Btw that anime will be in 4 parts and shown on youtube in HD.

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 19:17

>>158

Nice idea but wikia is kind of ugly (ads and shit everywhere). Is there no other way?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 19:20

>>171

Oh shit it came out today! Pity I'm on the road all day. Can't wait to check it out!

Anyone seen the genga list?

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 21:14

>>172
Not the creator, but the Wikia can be made to look very nice
If you see http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_Wiki
It looks very cool there. As for ads, I use adblock so I don't see anything..

Name: Anonymous 2011-01-31 21:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2KkReQGpIY
Nostromo AMV using clips from Genius Party Beyond - Dimension Bomb
and the Utada Hikaru-Passion music video

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 4:51

Maybe Tanaka was in it, albeit uncredited? I don't know if he's like Iso, though, who likes to do uncredited work on some anime.

And for some reason his FX somehow remind of me of an Iso-school FX...though it's clear Takashi Hashimoto's FX work bears most influence to Mitsuo Iso.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 5:03

>>171
Dennou Coil was more of a coming-out party for Mitsuo Iso, so yeah, Honda's absence wasn't really that harmful I guess.

It still kinda feels bad for two of the best animators in the last 2 decades or so to have a fight like that.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 6:31

Houkago no Pleiades was reasonably disappointing. Shouji Saeki's storyboards and scene compositions were really nice, but his script was certainly lacking in punch. And the animation was spontaneously good (in obvious places) but mostly very limited, with some obvious shortcuts.


>>176

Tanaka Hironori doing uncredited work seems very unlikely to me. The effect animation is similar to his, but it's also a style shared by a number of animators. It was actually the hair in some places that made me think of him.

Genga list for this anime:

井畑翔太 池田志乃 大杉尚広 清水空翔 徳永さやか
山崎愛 堤舞 相澤澄江

河野恵美 横山なつき 坂本勝 岩崎将大 春藤佳奈
三宮昌太 米山舞 小野田将人

ANIHOUSE SUN
金鐘憲 李成鎮

Notables:

Shimizu Souto
Kouno Megumi

..really nothing in the way of prominent Gainax animators. Either they saw this as an opportunity for some less experienced animators to handle something, or they didn't care much for this project.

I would do a blog post on this, but it doesn't seem worth it unless we get some more info on who did what scenes, because they're hard to place with all these unfamiliar faces at the top of the genga credits. The only thought I've heard was Kouno Megumi handling the fireball scene in part 4.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 6:41

>>178
>The effect animation is similar to his, but it's also a style shared by a number of animators


Yeah, it does look like something out of the Iso-school of FX animation. Iso is one of the best FX animators in Japan after all.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 7:53

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 8:29

Ending Illustrations from Houkago no Pleiades, taken from the 2ch sakuga thread.

http://brunhild.sakura.ne.jp/up/src/up485274.png 佐伯昭志
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74032.png 菊池大輔
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74024.png 横山なつき
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74025.png 岩崎将太
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74026.png 三宅昌太
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74027.png 井畑翔太
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74028.png 小野田将人
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74029.png 坂本勝
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74030.png 春藤佳奈
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74031.png 米山舞
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74036.png 河野恵美
http://ranobe.sakura.ne.jp/src/up74017.png 相澤澄江

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 18:38

>>180

Ah, KON'STONE, the company that Satoshi Kon himself started shortly before he died. ;_;

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 19:08

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 20:31

>>183
>CG
>nothing from Heartcatch 48

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 21:24

Sakuga MAD January 2011 Notes

http://washiblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/sakuga-mad-january-2011-notes/

Pretty good month overall. Hiroshi Tomioka sure has been busy. Also,

>>184 THIS

Despite a few omissions, it's still pretty well put together.

Anyone got anything to add?

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 23:07

>>185

They're both missing Umakoshi and Yuki Hayashi's stuff from Heartcatch 48; and Sushio's BUSTER BEAM from 49.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-01 23:10

>>186

It's also missing stuff from Fractale, which I honestly think was much better than like half of the stuff that was indeed in the video. The beginning of Madoka 1 wasn't impressive or interesting at all, what the fuck is it doing in Sakuga MADs?

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 0:34

>>183

This one is better than the other one that was posted yesterday, alone for the Yumekui Merry cut in the beginning, which was a personal favourite of mine. There's also the rather cool Madoka action sequence right afterwards. Missing any of the Heartcatch Precure scenes as well as a bunch of others though.  Really, a sakuga MAD for January that doesn't feature a single Heartcatch sequence is not exactly a showing of the best.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 3:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJIGxMynzY
Found this on youtube

Anyone know where to find a full video of this?

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 8:18

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 8:51

>>189
Yasuo Otsuka's Joy in Motion
(Original Title:Otsuka Yasuo no Ugokasu Yorokobi)

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 9:05

>Yasuo Otsuka

I want to read his book so bad...

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 9:07

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 9:56

>>190
>>191
>>193

Awesome!
Thanks!

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 9:57

Yasuo Otsuka and Kazuhide Tomonaga are very excellent animator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZZH6K1hto

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 10:33

Is Tomonaga still at Telecom?

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 12:45

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 15:45

>>185
>Anyone got anything to add?
I would have thought someone would have made a short mention of Super Robot Wars episode 15.
Masami Obari on storyboards, direction and sakkan. Though it was shared with several other people.
For the genga ep 15 had Masami Obari himself, Masahiro Yamane(also one of the sakkans), Ootsuka Ken, Yoshida Tooru, Nakatani Seichi, Nakazawa Yuichi, Nishi Maanori and a few others.
A chunk of the good stuff here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xRsJgLBkYs

I've noticed they go for immense detail in the still shots over actual movements in many of the scenes(looks very nice in HD). Perhaps this is just a feature of Obari's works? I know this was how many anime used to be made in 80s OVAs.

While I'm on the subject, episode 1 had a really good scene which was completely overlooked. I was a little upset none of the Sakuga MADs from September to October even mentioned the opening scene (before the OP song) I thought that scene alone would have deserved some kind of mention..

As can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZiinPoh7FE
0:00 - 05:55 is the scene then its the OP
- The OP itself is nice as I think there are a few Akira Amemiya scenes in it.

Inb4 everyone ignores my post yet again..

>>193
I remember watching that along time ago, its interesting to see how Sadamoto completely dropped animation and stuck to character design and mangaka work considering how talented he was at animation.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 16:48

>>198

Thanks for the info. Not many people watch Super Robot Wars, including me, so it gets overlooked. Other than seeing a few posts on the 2 ch sakuga thread I haven't heard about it's sakuga qualities. Cheers.

Name: Anonymous 2011-02-02 19:02

>Other than seeing a few posts on the 2 ch sakuga thread I haven't heard about it's sakuga qualities

Yeah, its a work where you know it's not BONES level(not many shows are, to be fair) but the staff are trying their best and having fun with it and you see it shine through every now and then.

My Japanese is very poor so I can't read the 2ch threads. But there are tidbits of information I've managed to gather during its run from various sources, like a scene in episode 7 was animated by Shigeta Satoshi(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OcwkRpuHuA) I've heard the staff work quite hard and enthusiastically, the chief sakkan, Kabashima Yousuke complained(jokingly) on twitter that its a problem working on this anime as everyone tries so hard and production ends up slowing down, meaning his job is harder. But he's also praised Yamane and Obari's work on episode 15 and said when he saw those two working together, it was a partnership like the original Kamen Riders (Ichigo and Nigo) - which is interesting as Obari and Yamane probably go way back to the 90s when both worked on the Braves shows for Sunrise.

Though interestingly, whenever I see a new staff member's name and look them up, almost 90% of the time somewhere along the line they have worked together with Obari(or Yamane or Kabashima). Eg Ootsuka Ken worked a lot on Gaiking LODM, on which Obari was also a big helping hand. I guess that's just how this industry works, everyone's always giving one another helping hands.

I have no valid source on this, but it was reported on Kabashima's twitter than Otsuka Ken has been working on the SRW anime since the first few episodes, helping out with SFX and fixes. Though his only credited roles so far has been some genga in episode 15. Much of the work for Ken and many others has gone uncredited - even Obari himself it seems has stayed up long into the night doing correction work and then not crediting himself.

Actually found a post from the guy who posted on /m/ about it:
>Ootsuka Ken has been working on OGIN since the beginning. Kabashima found something wrong with episode 3. He got Otsuka Ken to help him to fix the problems and add stuff on robot special effects. Otsuka Ken is also working in Star Driver at the same time. A few other unnamed animators from the same crew joined him and worked on OGIN after episode 6. In old twitter log (forgot when) Kabashima mentioned about having lunch with those guys and everybody were excited about drawing Cybaster and stuff. That was when Obari mentioned about most of the crew are interested in drawing Cybaster and wanted to have a Cybaster drawing contest.
>Staff from Madoka Magica came around episode 9 or 11 if I remember correctly. They did the motion frames of the show.

His English is a little rough but you get the idea.

I don't get many chances to talk about the Sakuga for this show so sorry if I ended up rambling.

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